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I have multiple screen shots of that seller's words. I am sure he was very "forthcoming" with a version of its background. The screen shots include three different versions of its background (according to that person) and then there was a fourth version (according to that person) that was stated to me in person. Different stories at different times for different people from the same individual. For the same tortoise. To get the reality of its background, I had to go to a source of information prior to the person who I got the animal from. I also confirmed the background of the female with a seller prior to the seller I bought her from. There were no major inconsistencies with the retelling of the background of the female. One of the four versions given for the male is correct after getting confirmation via communicating with a prior owner. That makes the other three versions, since all four versions differed, not truthful. The correct version was not posted publicly by a previous seller, but I hinted at the correct version in one of my replies to someone else. While I privately have references who can testify to the penchant for storytelling involved with one of these sources of information/misinformation, I am not keen on stirring anything needlessly. The breeder was known at the time of the ad's placement. The animal was specific in its origin and therefore not random. The animal of topic is in an excellent home with an even better subdivision of climate than mine here, the buyer and his facilitating friends have the genuine history, I have received the money I expected for the animal for a semi-local transaction, I met some nice people, and I was able to reclaim the barrier panels allocated for his pen to clean and apply to another quarantine area for a friend's animals down the road.
Not accepting just any offer from any person does not make it a premium price. I do not mind when others sell their own animals for less if they like, as it is their prerogative. Kind of like how people who sometimes like to reach out and say they will "give it a good home for free if you cannot find a buyer for it" do not make the values of animals like elegans, phayrei, ivory sulcata, hypo carbonaria, and more suddenly become zero because some of the people want something for zero dollars. I see it as being a little further up the spectrum as those people who post wanted ads to profess a willingness to adopt free radiata or gigantea. If you or anyone else would like to sell animals for less, I think you/he/she have/has every right to do so. Same for if you/he/she would like to sell animals for more. The completion of sales will determine what is tenable as far as pricing goes.
Unless there is something warranting further response on the matter (which could have been done directly in the first place), I am happy to return you to the normal course of your thread so as not to further distract from it.
We are well within the normal course of the thread, it's TFO's, it's only moderated for tone of argument and "bad" words. Very very rarely do the mods retroactively delete things, but you'd be correct to say they do on occasion. Yeah, I know. You can't keep re-editing on TFO after several minutes.
Thanks for sharing so many words and not actually saying anything of value towards the identity of the animal. If we don't wholly keep record of the animal we all end up with higgly-piggly messes.
In all sincerity I wish you would post here more again on husbandry and care info, your insights on other things as well. If it takes a pot shot to have you contribute then expect more. I like you Nick. It would be great if in venues you have editorial/moderator input on you too would offer the occasional personal e-mail, nor not edit out or sensor content of modest value. That person who had so many versions would have outed themselves for silliness had you just left it all alone. Each 'comment' elevates the post for the seller, never too much of a bad thing.
If/when that animal comes up for sale again (slight chance at least) how will anyone know of it's origin?
I have F1 and F1/F2 animals out there forever lost to follow-up. I am frankly ashamed of that.