dmmj said:I am on the pink side myself
dmmj said:I am on the pink side myself
ascott said:make a scene....make a scene.....pink pink pink
ascott said:Captain....I don't think alcohol nor cigarettes should be allowed for ebt purchase....but any other food or beverage should be aok
Kristina said:No, I don't think that it should be limited on what people can buy with food stamps. I *DO* think that diapers and toilet paper should also be allowed, however. I went through some very tough times with my first daughter and dead beat ex-husband. Diapers are horribly expensive and a necessity, and I think toilet paper should qualify as well.
ascott said:make a scene....make a scene.....pink pink pink
ascott said:okay so one thing to add....I do not think that people should be drug tested in order to collect food stamps, unemployment, disability, 401k benefits, pension checks nor any other benefit that is based on equal participation....as if that were the case every person in the united states should be subjected to that same testing (hmmm, a little big brother'ish)
We are a world full of bad stuff that we ELECT to partake, participate and involve ourselves in....what one person thinks is bad another thinks is fine for their life....when we start to dictate or allow our government to dictate what people should eat/drink....we are essentially giving our government the aok to decide what cars/houses/clothes/food we are all issued..As a woman, I think that if I want a ding dong, then lord help the person who stands between me and that ding dong.....LOL
I was laid off 09-17-2010 from a position that I loved, I was fantastic at that position...did the work of 3 sometimes 4 people who were paid 3x what I made, I was laid off due to a newly hired manager was intimidated by my presence....so she tried every way she could to get me to walk....but I loved what I did...so I endured her trivial attempts....so she said to me one day "you are a natural leader and the other staff look to you for guidance, but I promise you that will change" then a week later I was laid off "due to reduction in hours/staff"
I do not think that anyone should be subjected to silliness, I believe that if you work in a field that is directly involved with the public, you should have to be drug tested, but that is a given now a days....not because the company giving the drug test cares about the public, but so that when they are sued they will only owe out 1 million vs 5 million....it is all the money game....
While I do not partake of drugs....I love ding dongs, pizza, doritos and gallons of ice tea, a margarita from time to time or 4 or 5 if I am in vegas....I love recreational gambling in vegas, I love walking in the wild..I love hiking our deserts...I love speaking my mind.....I just think that we all need to remember the things we personally love and what it would mean for someone to come in and say, no, just because they think that they know what is better for me, more than me....
We are already pushed to the wall most days as it is.....so, I would not want someone who has worked all of their life, then get laid off by no fault of theirs....not collect benefits that aid them in making it until they find gainful employment that they can actually live off of and not just survive.... all in my opinion
Exactly. In AZ, people with EBT usually qualify for free medical as well. So not only are we allowing them to buy what will kill them, we take care of them until they die, and then eat the bill in the end. This is absolutely 100% not For The People, as someone previously mentioned.lynnedit said:However, the fact is, if someone has a heart attack or stroke, from a medical standpoint, it is not just their consequence. We will all pay ultimately for the surgery and rehabilitation, if they survive and if they have medical insurance or not.
I'm sorry but my schooling and future job depends on testing negative for drugs, just like a very large percentage of the population. Why is it okay for me to face the risk of false positives and my source of supporting my family, but it's not okay of someone without a job? If I have to take a drug test in order to pay the taxes that supports these programs, then the people who receive the rewards of my hard work should have to as well. Usually this argument devolves into an argument of "What about the kids?", but I wont go there unless asked.Terry Allan Hall said:Drug testing?...well, absolutely not, until there's a 100% infallible test (and, so far, the most accurate, follicle testing, besides being the most expensive, is only 90% accurate under perfect lab conditions, and probably more like 80% under "real world" conditions...btw, urinalysis is more like 66/48%)...any possibility of testees getting false positives is unacceptable to me...careers have been ended and lives have been ruined!
DesertGrandma said:I am in total agreement with this. When I was young and broke with a nonworking husband and two kids to support, there were no "frills" on our table. What I couldn't buy at the damaged food warehouse market, the day old bread store, or on sale at the supermarket were off limits for our table. I used to cringe when I had to drop off my daugher at a day care where I paid a monthly fee, while other mothers were receiving welfare and food stamps and going to college on the government, while I was working my butt off just to make ends meet. I spent my weekends making food that was cheap for the weeks meals. I was not raised to take when I could make do. And I expect that others in need to do the same with the free benefits they receive from the taxpayers.
When there is no income through no fault of your own (loss of job, home, etc.), and help is really needed, be thankful for it and be a good steward of the taxpayers dollars and don't squander it on unneeded frills.
ascott said:Katie, I can understand some of your points. I too went back and read all of the posts here on this topic.
While I have not applied for, nor have I ever had the need to receive Welfare. I believe it is necessary. I too find it very annoying to hear of Career Welfare Recipients. I too have been behind the person in line that is purchasing all high end grocery items, of which I don't purchase, and then pulling out that EBT card. I quietly say to them, you are welcome.
While I am currently unemployed/laid off I collect unemployment insurance benefits. I do this only because I am actively seeking full time employment, while it is difficult at present, I will continue to seek full time employment and I know it will come. My sons braces were already in the works when things changed financially for me...so they are something that have to be completed...and honestly, I will do without to assure they get done....his teeth are long term....you know, your teeth are designed to last a lifetime if you take care of them properly
I do cringe when I hear on the news that EBT cards can and have been used in Las Vegas Casinos (wow, some nerve huh). I choose to not apply for / receive Welfare as I feel that there are people out there that need it more than we at present do. I believe that Welfare should be the last resource tapped into before a family hits the street. I also do not think though that a family has to sign their home, auto's and anything else of monetary value over to the state in return for benefits on a temporary basis....again, this is money that comes from taxpayers, and if a person has a steady work history....they should be able to save what they have worked all of their life for
I have strong beliefs in the state/government REQUIRING drug testing...after all the money that the government so generously hands out to so many hands is not their money, it is the peoples money....they should be in the business for the people...as we are the source of their bank book.
I initially felt like a low down bum when I first started collecting UI Benefits...as I have always worked. I then received a stiff talking to from a couple friends and family members that abruptly reminded me that this is a temporary state and that I have been a productive, viable citizen all other times in my life....to which they are correct.
I have an overall issue with authority being shoved down our throats to be honest. I always figure that if an authority has proven to me that they truly know what is best for me, I will listen and be respectful. I have also learned that our government has not proven to me that they know what is best for me, therefore I have a tremendous problem with them when they try to put "moral" regulations on the general public....kinda like, "are you kidding me" our government can not even get a collective decision to save our lives/way of life/our country dignity/security/financial stability, etc. There are moral taxes for example placed on cigarettes, alcohol but the same taxes are not forced onto the sell of marijuana....why not? We allow little pot shops but they do not get taxed the same as other enterprise. Cigarettes are banned from most open air areas, however, you can still buy beer all day long at Sea World and the like....hypocritical is also another issue of mine.
So, when I get annoyed and strongly voice my opinions on some of these type of subjects, I often wonder who "these" people are that make the decisions about no smoking in public places, but go right ahead and sell all the alcohol you would like...I understand that smoke moving through the air is intrusive on the public, but also know that a drunk that plows into a car and kills an entire family is, well, a bit intrusive as well....so I guess my issue is with ....if we give our government the aok to drug test people who obtain UI benefits/Welfare/Disability etc....then those people who make the stupid decisions are now empowered to delegate what other things they are now entitled to regulate...
So, I apologize to you Katie for anything I may have said that was harsh and less than lady like, truly I do. I enjoy your information as a tortoise keeper and enjoy the interaction on this forum. As always, government and religion will always bring out in each of us a great passion that will ignite when given the opportunity.... again, as a woman, a forum member and one of the homo sapiens that occupy this awesome planet, I truly apologize for any abrupt harsh comments.