Funny you should mention that I had a goldfish live for 14 years that I won from the fair it was not expected to live more than a few days 14 years later I finally died in a nice big AquariumI’ve raised and bred dogs for near 30yrs , I’m probably done , not because it’s hard to sell puppies . if you really don’t care what happens to them after you get rid of them they’re easy to sell ….. if you are intent on finding them lifelong homes where they will be properly cared for , that’s a whole different story ……… I throw away a dozen or so p. manni eggs every year , because I know 99.9% of the time what the future holds for a $40 turtle ………. Of the 350,000,000 people in the U.S. I think substantially less than 1% is capable or willing to care for a goldfish for it’s entire natural lifetime let alone something like a sulcata …… there is a reason you don’t see many adults , and i'm sure most realize what it is ………… you need to get on the world wide web to run across the small group of people you see on this message board , at least I do , and you still see folks on these message boards with exotic animals that can’t even imagine providing veterinary care for an animal that may have cost $100 let alone a $10 red eared slider ……. Where I’m from I know of no native species of reptile that needs their population reduced artificially by the collection of wild caught animals for the pet trade …….. from what I see , peoples respect for life is not on the increase , there is always going to be a market for disposable pets …….