I see a problem with this thread...Not to step on anyones toes, and please don't get offended, but I commonly see members getting angry about hybridization among tortoises. Unless I have mis-understood your source of these animals, in which case I am sorry, now I see threads of people importing large groups of very endangered tortoises, and saying "buy 20 and hope 2.2 live". I see no reason why 20 highly endangered tortoises have to die for some of us to have our dreams. Yes, it would be wonderful to work with manouria impressa, and we do need to have some breeding pairs in captivity, but at least get them from a captive bred source. That or leave them to the TSA, zoos and rescues who have all the resources needed to care for them. Importation is only depleting wild numbers even faster.