Annantim
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Signed it just now
My Russian was wild caught from pet-smart so upsetting and Betty knows there is a better world.Just a thought...
Be careful what you wish for. There are groups out there, with great lobbying/political power, that use stuff like this (without specificity) to help support their effort to totally ban the keeping of reptiles in captivity.
Your petition does nothing to promote or even allow for the sale of captive bred tortoises. Or, as @LasTortugasNinja points out, to promote better education and husbandry. A push to simply outlaw something without looking at all that would cover is dangerous. I totally agree that wild-caught wholesale exportation is bad. But even in your statement you seem unaware that the far bulk of imported russian tortoises are actually farmed. That in itself raises a whole new set of issues as farming operations can easily lead to wild-caught included in the "farmed" group. That is what needs to be controlled.My Russian was wild caught from pet-smart so upsetting and Betty knows there is a better world.
I doubt they would be able to ban all reptile pets. If they did then they would have to do the same for dogs and cats because there are puppy mills and terrible things going on in that part of the pet trade too.Just a thought...
Be careful what you wish for. There are groups out there, with great lobbying/political power, that use stuff like this (without specificity) to help support their effort to totally ban the keeping of reptiles in captivity.
I am glad! Mine are wild-caught too.My Russian was wild caught from pet-smart so upsetting and Betty knows there is a better world.
That is a well-stated objective of PETA - To ban the possession of any animal. Animals should be wild, not pets.I doubt they would be able to ban all reptile pets. If they did then they would have to do the same for dogs and cats because there are puppy mills and terrible things going on in that part of the pet trade too.
I doubt they would be able to ban all reptile pets. If they did then they would have to do the same for dogs and cats because there are puppy mills and terrible things going on in that part of the pet trade too.
Done!We need to do something about this and I really need everyone's help! When we unite together we can change the lives of so many poor torts!
I would agree that we should stop selling wild caught russian tortoises, if there was enough captive bred ones to satisfy the demand for them. If it was a perfect world, there would be no need to import wild caught ones and there would be a huge supply of breeders producing them at a reasonable price. But here in the real world, captive bred babies are out of the price range for a majority of the pet owners out there. The problem really lies with the collectors and exporters of them, and how they are being handled and taken care of, before they are being shipped to the US. I have a breeding pair of them, and if they produced large clutches of eggs; which unfortunately they can't because of their size; then they would be like the sulcata, and there would be no reason to import them.
the people who would lobby congress would take away your tortoises... no captive bred OR wild caught. They don’t care, they are zealots who think of humanity as an unnatural plague. These same people convinced California that ferrets would run rampant and kill off every native species. Ferrets are more domesticated than cats. Ferrets can not survive in the wild. They lack the instincts to survive. Just like you’ll never see a pack of wild yorkies in Yellowstone. But California bought it hook, line, and sinker.The two don't have to be mutually exclusive (no captive bred OR better education/conditions for pets being sold).
For THIS petition, it is a good thing, even if it may have some sneaky intent. And if it raises the price of them, GOOD! Maybe ppl will be more serious about buying them. It's just too easy to impulsively buy them right now which leads to the deaths of so so many.
Well, honestly, you're supposed to have a lic for dogs in some cities/ counties/ states and I don't know anyone who actually has one though they live in locations that require one. Same also for ferrets. I don't know how stringently a lic for reptiles would actually be enforced if it pans out like the ferret/dog one.Many states are trying to make it really hard to buy reptiles rn.. do u really want to have to get a permit for every reptile u buy? That would be really annoying . I was talking to the owner of NERD.. a reptile distributer near me and he was telling me that their trying to pass That law.
The stores would not be allowed to sell to anyone without a permit.. or face a huge fine. I dont think it’ll pass.Well, honestly, you're supposed to have a lic for dogs in some cities/ counties/ states and I don't know anyone who actually has one though they live in locations that require one. Same also for ferrets. I don't know how stringently a lic for reptiles would actually be enforced if it pans out like the ferret/dog one.
Besides....think of the pandemonium if all the sulcatas and Russians got let go!!! It would be the slowest chaos ever! ?
We are not involving the government. Petco and Petsmart are the decision-makers and it comes down to them no matter how many signs we get. We are just showing the reptile community knows what they are doing and cares.Not signing for the same reasons previously mentioned by others. Asking for government involvement is risking severe unintended consequences.
I feel that pushing something like this is very shortsighted. Consider that many states already ban pet stores from selling dogs and require licensing of breeders. Cure is far worse than the disease if you ask me....
If you really care about it, campaign for repealing the 4” law. This will do far more to displace wild caught tortoises with captive bred.