Is He Bolivian?

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You shouldn't really have only one male and one female. The male may pester your female.
If I was in your circumstances I would get 2 more females that are the same as your male. Let them all live as a group(1.3), then you can decide what you want to do with any eggs from the northern female.
Thanks for the advice, its very hard to find some female like him over here but i will try to do it. Even if i found some one outside PR mostly they wont not ship. I was thinking on making a trade also or buy a couple of Cherry heads too.
 

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Thanks for the advice, its very hard to find some female like him over here but i will try to do it. Even if i found some one outside PR mostly they wont not ship. I was thinking on making a trade also or buy a couple of Cherry heads too.
BTW the egg layed on May 10 looks empty until now...
 

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If it was just one egg it probably is no good. Especially if she didn't bury it.
She does bury the egg in mud. I carefully pick it up clean it without turning and put it on perlite but until last friday was still clear :( maybe its better that way until i find some female for him. Until when i should keep the egg?? Even in the incubator looks empty, just yellow clear.
 

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If it was just one egg it probably is no good. Especially if she didn't bury it.
She does bury the egg in mud. I carefully pick it up clean it without turning and put it on perlite but until last friday was still clear :( maybe its better that way until i find some female for him. Until when i should keep the egg?? Even in the incubator looks empty, just yellow clear.
 

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She does bury the egg in mud. I carefully pick it up clean it without turning and put it on perlite but until last friday was still clear :( maybe its better that way until i find some female for him. Until when i should keep the egg?? Even in the incubator looks empty, just yellow clear.
Keep it until it blows up or hatches.
 

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No exactly, i think since last two years it is more deep the concavity.
Thanks. Is he about 8 1/4" SCL? It's a little hard to get an accurate measurement based on the pic that I saw. Without knowing at what size the concavity started to become significant I would lean towards this being a Brazilian because in my recollection of the Bolivian males that I have experience with the concavity started to become significant around 9" SCL and by 10" it was very deep. With Brazilians I believe that the concavity starts as early as 7-7.5". The shell color, skin color and the scale color could easily be that of a Bolivian though. This could even be an intermediate animal between a Gran Chaco and a "Cherryhead". I'd love to hear what someone that has a lot more experience than I do with both locales like Carl thinks.
 

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Hi, can anyone tell me if he is Bolivian?? Bolivian does have the elbow spur? (Shell rot is on treatment) View attachment 176037 View attachment 176035 View attachment 176036 View attachment 176034

Looks Bolivian/ Paraguay locality to me. The Ultimate test is the test of size. My Bolivian is huge and heavy. The southern variants’ carapaces are often not quite black to dark brown, sometimes with light grey or whitish between the scutes. Their plastrons are mostly dark in a symmetrical mottled pattern. The size tends to be larger on average then northeastern variants, with the largest individuals found in this area. Forelimbs feature a slightly enlarged scale on the side of the ‘elbow’. Adult males do not have the constricted waist, and females average a bit larger than the males. These are seen in the Gran Chaco – Bolivia, Paraguay, and northern Argentina.
 

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Hi, can anyone tell me if he is Bolivian?? Bolivian does have the elbow spur? (Shell rot is on treatment) View attachment 176037 View attachment 176035 View attachment 176036 View attachment 176034


The Northeastern variant ( Guiana Shield- Venezuela, Guyana, Suriname, Guiana, and northern Brazil ) and the Northwestern variant ( found in southeast Panama and Colombia ) Plastrons are mostly pale yellow unlike yours.

The Bolivian plastrons are mostly dark in a symmetrical mottled pattern. The size tends to be larger on average then northeastern variants, with the largest individuals found in this area. Forelimbs feature a slightly enlarged scale on the side of the ‘elbow’. Adult males do not have the constricted waist, and females average a bit larger than the males. These are seen in the Gran Chaco – Bolivia, Paraguay, and northern Argentina.
 

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The Northeastern variant ( Guiana Shield- Venezuela, Guyana, Suriname, Guiana, and northern Brazil ) and the Northwestern variant ( found in southeast Panama and Colombia ) Plastrons are mostly pale yellow unlike yours.

The Bolivian plastrons are mostly dark in a symmetrical mottled pattern. The size tends to be larger on average then northeastern variants, with the largest individuals found in this area. Forelimbs feature a slightly enlarged scale on the side of the ‘elbow’. Adult males do not have the constricted waist, and females average a bit larger than the males. These are seen in the Gran Chaco – Bolivia, Paraguay, and northern Argentina.
Just so you are aware, this thread is nearly four and one half years old. The last post before your three today was made in June of 2016.

It's not a problem, but checking the dates helps you to understand when the OP is not around any more to respond to your posts. I have done this myself from time to time and have taught myself to always check the dates now when I am looking at these threads.
 

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Looks Bolivian/ Paraguay locality to me. The Ultimate test is the test of size. My Bolivian is huge and heavy. The southern variants’ carapaces are often not quite black to dark brown, sometimes with light grey or whitish between the scutes. Their plastrons are mostly dark in a symmetrical mottled pattern. The size tends to be larger on average then northeastern variants, with the largest individuals found in this area. Forelimbs feature a slightly enlarged scale on the side of the ‘elbow’. Adult males do not have the constricted waist, and females average a bit larger than the males. These are seen in the Gran Chaco – Bolivia, Paraguay, and northern Argentina.
Mine has marble plastron and his face is more like a peach color, not bright red like most CH are.
 

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Beautiful Redfoot :<3::<3::tort::<3::<3:

Lets go by elimination. The most logical scientific approach. It can not be a Northeastern variant. The Northeastern Plastrons are mostly pale yellow. These range in the Guiana Shield- Venezuela, Guyana, Suriname, Guiana, and northern Brazil.

It can not be a Northwestern variant. Why? The Northwestern variant are similar to the northeastern variant, but their carapace base color is grey, dark brown, or coffee rather than black.
Their pale plastrons have central dark areas resembling an exclamation point. YOUR TORT PLASTRON is dark black almost solid.

It can not be a Northern variant. Why? These also are similar to the northeastern variant, with head and limb colors generally pale yellow to light orange. They are rarely read on the heads and limbs are often slightly different colors. The average size is slightly smaller than usual- 30–35 cm. These are found in Colombia, Ecuador, and Peru. YOUR TORT looks bigger than Northern also coloration more red over facial.

What about the Eastern Variant? well. It can not be an Eastern Variant. Why?
Eastern variant Carapaces of the eastern variants are often light grey or whitish between the scutes. Their plastrons are mostly dark in a symmetrical mottled pattern. The size tends to be smaller on average than northeastern variants, also reaching sexual maturity at a smaller size. The forelimbs feature a slightly enlarged scale on the side of the ‘elbow’. Their heads and limbs are either yellowish or red, ranging to brilliant cherry-red.



What's left?


THE
Southern variant. Their plastrons are mostly dark in a symmetrical mottled pattern. The size tends to be larger on average then northeastern variants, with the largest individuals found in this area. Forelimbs feature a slightly enlarged scale on the side of the ‘elbow’. Adult males do not have the constricted waist. These are seen in the Gran Chaco – Bolivia, Paraguay, and northern Argentina.


Also it can not be a
REDFOOT GIANT BARBADOS TORTOISE. Why?
The Barbadose variant is huge. Domed top. But the plastron is yellow, pale not black (see photos).
 

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Beautiful Redfoot:tort::<3::tort::<3::tort::<3::tort:

Lets go by elimination. The most logical scientific approach. It can not be a Northeastern variant. The Northeastern Plastrons are mostly pale yellow. These range in the Guiana Shield- Venezuela, Guyana, Suriname, Guiana, and northern Brazil.

It can not be a Northwestern variant. Why? The Northwestern variant are similar to the northeastern variant, but their carapace base color is grey, dark brown, or coffee rather than black. Their pale plastrons have central dark areas resembling an exclamation point. YOUR TORT PLASTRON is dark black almost solid.

It can not be a Northern variant. Why? These also are similar to the northeastern variant, with head and limb colors generally pale yellow to light orange. They are rarely read on the heads and limbs are often slightly different colors. The average size is slightly smaller than usual- 30–35 cm. These are found in Colombia, Ecuador, and Peru. YOUR TORT looks bigger than Northern also coloration more red over facial.

What about the Eastern Variant? well. It can not be an Eastern Variant. Why?
Eastern variant Carapaces of the eastern variants are often light grey or whitish between the scutes. Their plastrons are mostly dark in a symmetrical mottled pattern. The size tends to be smaller on average than northeastern variants, also reaching sexual maturity at a smaller size. The forelimbs feature a slightly enlarged scale on the side of the ‘elbow’. Their heads and limbs are either yellowish or red, ranging to brilliant cherry-red.



What's left?


THE Southern variant. Their plastrons are mostly dark in a symmetrical mottled pattern. The size tends to be larger on average then northeastern variants, with the largest individuals found in this area. Forelimbs feature a slightly enlarged scale on the side of the ‘elbow’. Adult males do not have the constricted waist. These are seen in the Gran Chaco – Bolivia, Paraguay, and northern Argentina.


Also it can not be a REDFOOT GIANT BARBADOS TORTOISE. Why?

The Barbados variant is huge. Domed top. But the plastron is yellow, pale not black (see photos).
 

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Beautiful Redfoot:tort::<3::tort::<3::tort::<3::tort:

Lets go by elimination. The most logical scientific approach. It can not be a Northeastern variant. The Northeastern Plastrons are mostly pale yellow. These range in the Guiana Shield- Venezuela, Guyana, Suriname, Guiana, and northern Brazil.

It can not be a Northwestern variant. Why? The Northwestern variant are similar to the northeastern variant, but their carapace base color is grey, dark brown, or coffee rather than black. Their pale plastrons have central dark areas resembling an exclamation point. YOUR TORT PLASTRON is dark black almost solid.

It can not be a Northern variant. Why? These also are similar to the northeastern variant, with head and limb colors generally pale yellow to light orange. They are rarely read on the heads and limbs are often slightly different colors. The average size is slightly smaller than usual- 30–35 cm. These are found in Colombia, Ecuador, and Peru. YOUR TORT looks bigger than Northern also coloration more red over facial.

What about the Eastern Variant? well. It can not be an Eastern Variant. Why?
Eastern variant Carapaces of the eastern variants are often light grey or whitish between the scutes. Their plastrons are mostly dark in a symmetrical mottled pattern. The size tends to be smaller on average than northeastern variants, also reaching sexual maturity at a smaller size. The forelimbs feature a slightly enlarged scale on the side of the ‘elbow’. Their heads and limbs are either yellowish or red, ranging to brilliant cherry-red.



What's left?


THE Southern variant. Their plastrons are mostly dark in a symmetrical mottled pattern. The size tends to be larger on average then northeastern variants, with the largest individuals found in this area. Forelimbs feature a slightly enlarged scale on the side of the ‘elbow’. Adult males do not have the constricted waist. These are seen in the Gran Chaco – Bolivia, Paraguay, and northern Argentina.


Also it can not be a REDFOOT GIANT BARBADOS TORTOISE. Why?

The Barbados variant is huge. Domed top. But the plastron is yellow, pale not black (see photos).
So, it should be a Southern variant you think? That can be? why?
 

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So, it should be a Southern variant you think? That can be? why?

Good morning my friend,

Read my description again @BabyJack By ELIMINATION. It does not have the characteristics of the OTHER VARIANTS. Not from what I see through you pics. Does it makes sense?

Cheers

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