Identification Manouria emys / phayrei

[johndesiles]

Bonjour tout le monde
Alors voila pouvez vous me dire ce que vous pensez de cette Manouria svp
C est un male de 12 kg pour 40cm
pour moi il s agit d une phayrei , vous en pensez quoi ?
merci

 

[Yvonne G]

"Hello everyone
So here can you tell me what you think of this Manouria please
C is a male 12 kg 40cm
for me it s an d phayrei, what do you think?
thank you"

I really can't see enough of the tail to be able to tell for sure, but it looks female to me.

The pectoral scutes do not meet in the middle, so this is a Manouria emys emys. There is a very short line connecting the two scutes.

 

[johndesiles]

il me semble que c est une croissance peu harmonieuse du plastron , j ai un male emys emys et il y a une grande difference

Edit done by mod with the help of Google translator:

I think c is a little harmonious growth of the plastron, I have a male emys emys and there is a big difference

 

[mikeh]

I would go with Phayrei, or hybrid maybe?

 

[Yvonne G]

Take a look at figure #1. The pectoral scutes meet in the middle, and it's not just the very tip of the points, it is quite a big section that comes together. This is true with my adult phayrei also. I have intergrades that look similar to the one Jonathan has shown, with just a short line in the middle, but I also have a wild caught male Mee who has a pretty short line between the pectoral scutes too.

http://www.reptilia.net/articulos_ing/029.pdf

 

[johndesiles]

Le frère et la soeur ont une nette marque phayrei c est sertain ! C est pour sa sue je pense qu il sagit d une croissance peu harmonieuse :/

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Yvonne g , peux tu traduire pour moi stp

Mod edit plus Google translation (which loses quite a bit and is hard to understand):

Brother and sister have a clear brand phayrei c is sertain! C is for her sweats I think that it comes from a little harmonious growth :/
Yvonne g, can you translate for me stp

 

[johndesiles]

 

[Millerlite]

I would say it can be black or a mix, they do connect to the middle, but not to a point. I would say blacks

Kyle

 

[Len B]

I agree with Yvonne that it is emys emys.

 

[johndesiles]

Bonjour
J ai des emys emys de cette taille et la différence est bien plus grande ! Et la carapace me semble légèrement plus bombé ??? Je vais faire d autre photo

(Google translate: Hello
J have emys emys of this size and the difference is much greater! And the shell seems slightly curved?? I'll do another picture of)

 

[johndesiles]

Photo manouria emys emys plus jeune
Grosse différence au niveau du plastron et de la couleur !

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Photo plastron

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Photo dossiere

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Photo de la possible phayrei

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Photo possible phayrei

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Photo possible phayrei

 

[johndesiles]

Vous pensez quoi des photos ?

(Google translate: What you think of the photos?)

 

[Yvonne G]

I didn't answer for a while trying to give others a chance at it. I still think it is either emys emys, or intergrade between the two. In my opinion, it is NOT phayrei.

 

[johndesiles]

Voila le frère
Et une autre photo entre une emys emys et la curieuse .


(google translator: That brother
And another photo from a emys emys and curious.)

 

[Yvonne G]

It is quite obvious to me. The single tortoise definitely IS a phayrei, but the two tortoises are emys emys. In the single tortoise, you see how the pectoral scutes come together with a very large portion of them touching? It almost looks like whole inch. But in the two tortoises there most certainly is a line separating the pectoral scutes. Also, the picture of the two tortoises, they are both the same shape...more or less round, while the single tortoise is a more oblong shape.

 

[mikeh]

I get what you are saying Yvonne, but I have seen pictures of claimed to be blacks where pectoral scutes come to a single point where they meet in the middle. Another thing to look at on the animal in question, the symmetry of plastron scutes is slightly distorted off center, perhaps adding further difficulty with identification. One of my emys emys pectoral scutes lines are so distorted that they dont resemble neither subspecies.

Maybe a picture from behind of all three tortoises like below may aid us further.

 

[johndesiles]

Tu peux traduire stp yvonne


(Google translator: You can translate stp yvonne)

 

[mikeh]

http://www.freetranslation.com/en/translate-english-french

 

[johndesiles]

Photo

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Photos

 

[johndesiles]

Photo mystérieuse

(Google translator: Photo Mysterious)