Hundreds Hundreds and Hundreds of Rads!

[monsteraldabra]

got this picture from one of tortoise freak few days ago and said there was more than 190 Rad.. yup! 190... 7-12cm (3-5inch)

he send me few Rad pics which are totally drooled me

i don't know if i can write down the price, since these awesome awesome Rad are not mine.. i wish!

 

[emystiong]

Snap this in Thailand not too long ago there's not less than 500 Radiated of all size .

Uniform size , there must be some breeding farm mass producing these somewhere on earth - just not legally maybe !!

 

[Yellow Turtle]

Oh!!!!

I love the rare protected species myth!!!!

 

[TortieLuver]

Wow...speechless

 

[BeeBee*BeeLeaves]

Me, too. Totally speechless after "Holy sheet wow!" : 0

 

[AnnV]

OMG OMG OMG
They are being sold as pets? I hope.

 

[monsteraldabra]

@all: yupp.. Speechless also moneyless poor me..
@annv: yes sold as pets.. Wholesale.

 

[emystiong]

Oh!!!!

I love the rare protected species myth!!!!

Every now and then I wondered how rare are they actually ( population as a whole ) ?

 

[N2TORTS]

@all: yupp.. Speechless also moneyless poor me..
@annv: yes sold as pets.. Wholesale.

so if you have the connection and no funds ....you find a "money backer" ... aka: investor ~
this is how todays world works........

A third of those will die ....another third sold as food !

 

[kerogawa]

Well.. If these radiated are in Indonesia.. the good thing is that those cuties won't be sold as food..
We love tortoise very much.. we won't eat them.. and no such thing as tortoise eating in Indonesia

 

[Yellow Turtle]

@all: yupp.. Speechless also moneyless poor me..
@annv: yes sold as pets.. Wholesale.

so if you have the connection and no funds ....you find a "money backer" ... aka: investor ~
this is how todays world works........

A third of those will die ....another third sold as food !

Unfortunately, pets are maybe at the rock bottom list of the investor' agendas here in my country.

Some of them will die, I wonder if it will reach a third of them. At least not in the seller hands, maybe in the hands of noob hobbyists.

And I see you also still believe in puncturing tortoise shell, eating the liver myth, hmm... 1 radiata sized 6 cm would price 3 times minimum salary in my country, and you believe people buying those torts to eat them?

 

[emystiong]

@all: yupp.. Speechless also moneyless poor me..
@annv: yes sold as pets.. Wholesale.

so if you have the connection and no funds ....you find a "money backer" ... aka: investor ~
this is how todays world works........

A third of those will die ....another third sold as food !

Unfortunately, pets are maybe at the rock bottom list of the investor' agendas here in my country.

Some of them will die, I wonder if it will reach a third of them. At least not in the seller hands, maybe in the hands of noob hobbyists.

And I see you also still believe in puncturing tortoise shell, eating the liver myth, hmm... 1 radiata sized 6 cm would price 3 times minimum salary in my country, and you believe people buying those torts to eat them?

LOL
Those eating myth are there so NGO like greenpeace or some other wildlife org can get money easily !! ( just my view OK)

And the pricing ratio to minimum salary dont get any better in Malaysia or some other asian country !!

 

[sonykurniawan]

One good thing is that radiateds is becoming not so rare anymore

 

[N2TORTS]

I can assure you they are still sold as food …maybe not in your country . What’s even more funny is watching how defensive folks get when this is mentioned. There is nothing wrong with it …we eat cows here in the US without evening thinking twice (even though a domesticated animal ) , its the natural resource of foods available and how it’s managed is the real issue.
"The inadequacies and archaic political nuances of CITES itself is proving to be a virtual death sentence for many endemic species. For example, the rare Burmese star tortoise, Geochelone platynota, endemic to Myanmar (Burma), has been found in the Guangzhou and Shenzhen markets in China. Because Myanmar has apparently not issued CITES II export permits, NONE can be legally imported into any country, whether for food or ex situcaptive reproduction, despite their occasional availability in the Chinese food markets. In Asia you can eat them, boil them, butcher them, sell them, destroy their habitat but you cannot legally export, hence import any for captive reproduction, which may be their only hope for survival as a species. Keep in mind that as a note to the original description of the Burmese star tortoise (Blyth 1863 in Gunther 1864) states that the indigenous peoples were so fond of eating them that it was very difficult to obtain a living specimen. Hopefully CITES will realize that endemic species cannot be “owned” by a single country and when that country cannot and does not protect the endemic species found within its borders, will take action, or at the least allow responsible conservation groups to do so.
A similar situation regarding Madagascar’s endemic chelonians is unfolding. Radiated tortoises, Geochelone radiata, flat tailed tortoises, Pyxis planicauda, and spider tortoises, Pyxis arachnoides are openly offered for sale as holiday feast foods in Tulear and Ft. Dauphin. The Mahafaly and the Antrandroy, who consider it taboo to touch or eat tortoises are now induced by cash to sell them. At hotels, markets, gas stations – most everywhere where travelers and tourists stop in southern Madagascar within the range of these tortoises – they are offered for sale for 2000 – 2500 Fmg ($1 US = 5700 Fmg). From here they make their way, sometimes by sea, to the Asian food markets and the Japanese pet markets."

http://www.tortoisetrust.org/articles/asia.html

"Southeast Asia is being vacuumed of its turtles for China's food markets," said Dr. John Behler, chairman of the freshwater tortoise and turtle specialist group at the International Union for the Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources. "The China markets are a black hole for turtles."

http://www.fishingnj.org/artturtles.htm


The Department of Fish and Game requires those who import live frogs and turtles for human consumption to obtain permits on an annual basis. Under the policy change, they would be allowed to continue to import the animals until their permits expire.

Earlier this month, six Asian-American legislators sent a letter to the commission opposing the decision. They wrote that it “disproportionally targets Asian-American businesses.”

“There are a number of dramatic effects that this decision will have on seafood markets across the state,” the legislators wrote. “Turtles and frogs are a traditional cultural cuisine for many Chinese and other Asian-American cultures. Many of the live food markets are owned and managed by first-generation immigrants.”

The state leaders pointed to the fact the decision does not cover the importation of non-native species to be sold as pets, so the threat of the animals being released into the wild was not eliminated in their opinion.

A number of Asian-Americans involved in the seafood business came to the commission meeting on May 5 in Stockton to voice their opposition. Henry Chung, a seafood distributor from San Francisco, said he was not aware of anybody who imports them for food releasing the species into the wild.

“It will have a great economic impact and many jobs will be lost because the fish market restaurants hire lots of people to do the job,” he said.

Commission President Jim Kellogg told the speakers that he would call for a hearing to reconsider the decision. But he and other commissioners questioned why they had never previously heard from opponents. Nobody spoke in opposition to the measure during the hearings when the item was being considered.

http://www.tortoise.com/turtle_rescue_press_room.html


It’s all about MONEY!

 

[monsteraldabra]

100% they do eat turtle (search: cooking turtle with google) but not all of them..
but dunno if they consume tortoise..

 

[EricIvins]

I hate to break it to you, but Radiateds are not food animals in Asia. They are consumed in Madagascar, but that is the extent of it. Radiateds are considered more of a status symbol in Asian culture.

As far as price goes, lets just say you can buy a decent sized lot of Hatchlings for the same priced you would one hatchling here in the US. Thank the ESA for that. Radiated Tortoises are well suited for mass production for the Pet trade, and many countries are cashing in on that...

 

[Yellow Turtle]

It is a thread that shows how radiatas are being mass produced in other part of the continent. It's real funny that someone will always try to find a comment to ridicule this.

We merely show you the fact that most of your tortoise conservations do tell a nice story to dig more of your pocket money.

And to me if radiata can be produced like cows being produced in your country, then maybe someday everyone can have radiata steak on their plate...

 

[N2TORTS]

Just curious ....how many Radi' has any one hatched out in here?

Their egg production from what I thought Is very small ....so when I see 900 Radi' ...just curious who owns those big breeders?

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Distribution, status, and conservation of radiated
Tortoises
A wee bit old ….but a good read .

http://core.ecu.edu/biol/lamba/pdf's/radiated totoise reprint.pdf

 

[Yellow Turtle]

Please think it this way. There are some conservation organizations backed up by strong financial and a super power country.

Would anyone dares to stand up in the light and present the mass produced farms to the world?

We have small scale hobbyists who are even more successful than those conservations in breeding attempt for ploughshares.

And radiatas are not that harder to breed than ploughshares...

 

[EricIvins]

http://www.captivebredreptileforums.co.uk/tortoises-turtles/32150-more-tortoise-farms.html