Help ID Ptolemy

[Terry Allan Hall]

Not great pics (cell phone), but maybe someone can tell me what subspecies he is...

Thanks, and again, sorry abhout how fuzzy these pics are...need to borrow my daughter's real digital camera one of these days.

 

[egyptiandan]

Pictures are a bit fuzzy, but it looks like Ptolemy is a T.g.ibera and a female.

Danny

 

[Terry Allan Hall]

Pictures are a bit fuzzy, but it looks like Ptolemy is a T.g.ibera and a female.

Danny

Thanks for the subspecies ID...definitely a male (tail is easily 3X as massive/long as the females from his clutch).

Slightly better pic:

 

[egyptiandan]

With the better picture your right Male all the way

Danny

 

[Terry Allan Hall]

With the better picture your right Male all the way

Danny

And he he has nothing to be ashamed of, too!

Reason I was curious is that the breeder has a "harem" of females that include g. ibera, g. graeca and a beautiful Golden (horn-gold and no dark markings on carapace or plaston...I'm on the waiting list in the event she ever produces any offspring as totally "unmarked"), and they're all in the same 20' X 12' pen. The dominant male is a typical g. ibera, the "spare male", I'm not sure of, and I was wondering if Ptolemy showed any visual indication of a mixed ancestry.

Ptolemy, btw, is the one who was offered to me very cheaply as the breeder was afraid that he might possibly be a graeca/hermanni X...a few years ago, he'd temporarily kept his graeca male in with his hermanni females until the male's pen was finished...the hermanni males, presumably, were ganging up on the graeca.

Anyway, thanks again for the IDing.