I've been doing this for long enough now that I should be able to distinguish between the Graeca and Hermanni tortoises. Can anyone post side-by-side pictures of each, top and bottom, so I can compare and see why I'm having so much trouble getting the hang of it? I can post pictures, but I don't know how to get them side-by-side. And when I have to scroll up and down to look at the pictures, I can't tell the differences between them.