Desperately need opinions about sex and behavior

[wellington]

Oops sorry I didn't even notice you couldn't see it. I will get that pic tomorrow, thanks

 

[mike taylor]

Male

 

[Levi the Leopard]

You can't quite see the supracaudal (the rear most scute) in the second picture.

This tells you a lot more than the anal scutes or the tail for odd tortoises like this. If the tip curves inward = male, if it extends outward sort of like forming a V = female.

Is this the area you need to see?


Obviously this is my confirmed male, not the tort in question... But as I follow the thread I'm trying to learn more. and maybe clarifying the angle helps Barb, too

 

[wellington]

Is this the area you need to see?
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Obviously this is my confirmed male, not the tort in question... But as I follow the thread I'm trying to learn more. and maybe clarifying the angle helps Barb, too

Yes that is what Neal is talking about. I didn't realize you couldn't see the actual acute. Her tail is in the way.

 

[Grandpa Turtle 144]

Male

Do I get to talk sense this is oppion of sex ?

 

[Elohi]

I'm a wee bit confused. The supracaudal scute turns in for male?
This is my 7 yr old female. Is this what you mean by turning in? @Neal

 

[dmmj]

I think you all know my opinion on sex II'm in favor of it. I don't think gender matters at this moment if they areaggressive you know its not going to stop

 

[dmmj]

I think you all know my opinion on sex II'm in favor of it. I don't think gender matters at this moment make me dream aggressive you know its not going to stop

 

[wellington]

I'm a wee bit confused. The supracaudal scute turns in for male?
This is my 7 yr old female. Is this what you mean by turning in? @Neal
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Now I'm really confused. Except for the tail yours looks a lot like Heathers confirmed male. Mines anal scutes and thickness of tail looks like my confirmed female. But length of tail more like a males. My luck, her supracaudal scute will flare to the side, ugh

 

[G-stars]

I'm a wee bit confused. The supracaudal scute turns in for male?
This is my 7 yr old female. Is this what you mean by turning in? @Neal
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I guess there are exceptions to every rule. I'm sure this is what Neal meant.

 

[G-stars]

By the way I think it's a male. Only way to know for sure is if he flashes you or lays an egg.

 

[wellington]

By the way I think it's a male. Only way to know for sure is if he flashes you or lays an egg.

Would be nice if s/he/it did one

 

[johnsonnboswell]

I think you all know my opinion on sex II'm in favor of it. I don't think gender matters at this moment if they areaggressive you know its not going to stop

That's what I was trying to convey. It won't stop. Supervision won't stop it or prevent stress.

 

[G-stars]

Would be nice if s/he/it did one

I usually get flashed after a good nice soak.

 

[Neal]

Is this the area you need to see?
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Obviously this is my confirmed male, not the tort in question... But as I follow the thread I'm trying to learn more. and maybe clarifying the angle helps Barb, too

Yes

 

[Neal]

I'm a wee bit confused. The supracaudal scute turns in for male?
This is my 7 yr old female. Is this what you mean by turning in? @Neal
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There will be exceptions and oddities for each gender indicator (tail, anal scutes, supracaudal, etc...). Although your tortoises supracaudal curves inward on the end, it also extends far out from the body makung plenty of room for eggs to pass.

My initial thought is that it is female. I would expext the tail to be a lot longer for a male that size, but again, exceptions are common and I've guessed wrong my fair share of times. My request to view the supracaudal was so we could see all the peices of the puzzle. I hope I didn't confuse anyone.

 

[wellington]

I usually get flashed after a good nice soak.

Yea, my confirmed male did that fairly early on. I can't get this one to though.

 

[wellington]

There will be exceptions and oddities for each gender indicator (tail, anal scutes, supracaudal, etc...). Although your tortoises supracaudal curves inward on the end, it also extends far out from the body makung plenty of room for eggs to pass.

My initial thought is that it is female. I would expext the tail to be a lot longer for a male that size, but again, exceptions are common and I've guessed wrong my fair share of times. My request to view the supracaudal was so we could see all the peices of the puzzle. I hope I didn't confuse anyone.

No you didn't confuse us, well me anyway. You actually taught me something I don't remember hearing before when trying to sex a tortoise. Now this tort, well, she is confusing me. Later today, I will be posting a pic of all three of mine in the same position. Might be easier to compare all three in one shot to try and figure this one out. Then again, she might just be too young or still enough behind that it isn't going to be determined yet.

 

[wellington]

First pic, the one on left is the one in question next to my known male, isn't he too darn cute.
Next pic, my known male on left and known female on right, thanks Neal
Last pic all three from left one in question, middle know male right known female.

 

[wellington]

One more of all three. Left in question, middle male, right female.