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lynnedit · Apr 24, 2012

OMG, just saw your thread. I am so sorry, what a terrible experience, although I am glad you got many of them back unharmed.
What about electric wire along the back (and sides if needed)of the fence?
Incredible.

cmosuna · Apr 24, 2012

lynnedit said:
OMG, just saw your thread. I am so sorry, what a terrible experience, although I am glad you got many of them back unharmed.
What about electric wire along the back (and sides if needed)of the fence?
Incredible.

I was told that if I add anything like that to my fence and someone gets hirt, I would be liable. Typical, because I wanted to add those little spikes across it that keeps birds from landing.

lynnedit · Apr 24, 2012

Even if you put a warning up on the outside of the fence? What about if the electric wiring is on the inside of your fence along the top (with the warning on the outside)?
That's too bad.

terryo · Apr 24, 2012

I don't know why I'm always so shocked by the parenting of some people. Imagine teaching your children that stealing is OK, and if that isn't enough, putting such little importance on animals. Unfortunately the future of these children looks grim to me. Glad you got most of them back.

lisalove · Apr 24, 2012

Makes me realize that I think I may like animals more than people!!!!

Glad the ending is at least partially happy!

nickercrombie · Apr 24, 2012

I feel like if you had warning signs posted and someone hurt themselves, that would take away the liability from you. I have a few teachers that are lawyers, and I'd like to ask them about this. Where are you located?

Also, if you need signs and can't find any readily available, I can make you weatherproof, very durable signs for very cheap.

cmosuna · Apr 24, 2012

We live I Orange County California

bigred · Apr 24, 2012

I live pretty close to you and worry about this all the time. I have neighbor kids right in back of my house and caught them looking over the fence before. I was watching the news and heard of a couple of calif. Des. torts that were stolen in La Habra. These people had the torts for 20 or 30 years. It is often stupid kids that have no idea what they are doing and what they have gotten ahold of. I have sold Redfoot hatchlings and had people over the house but I dont think that will be happening anymore. Sorry for your ordeal, Im in Fullerton so let me know if you need anything

ErikaO · Apr 24, 2012

What a horrific ordeal for your family and your pets! It is good to know that you were able to recover most of them. I don't know if living in Orange County, you have a problem with Mexican Nationals not living by or teaching their children to live by the laws of the land. Here in Albuquerque, we do have a problem with break-ins and robberies by Mexican Nationals. However, as a Spanish mother of 7 very well behaved and respectful children, I feel compelled to say (not so much for your benefit, but the benefit of your readers from other parts of the country/world) that not all Spanish parents condone such terrible behvior. Your unfortunate scenario is a result of poor parenting, period.
I hope your pets recover from any shock they might have gone through and I certainly hope your family never goes through anything like this again. God speed to you, your family, and your pets.

Tom · Apr 24, 2012

This is infuriating. The whole thing. The theft of your pets, the disregard for living animals, the horrendous racist parenting...

Punish them. Find a way and punish them...

EKLC · Apr 24, 2012

At the very least I hope the law comes down hard on them and that you get the sliders back.

I'd probably be in jail now if I were in your position.

Jacqui · Apr 25, 2012

These kids are going to be charged and taken to court correct? It looks like those children will have a rough and sad life in the future with the way they are starting out and with what looks like parent approval. I can understand the woman thinking they are just stupid animals. even tho she is very mistaken. However, it does not mater if something is stupid or has no value within your own eyes, if it is the property of somebody else it is off limits to you. Glad this has a pretty good ending as far as the recovery goes. Fingers crossed for the last ones to come back.

Neal · Apr 25, 2012

What are the consequences of trespassing by a minor?

I can't understand why people have such disrespect for animals. The parents are apparently not concerned about what their children did, so I guess they have not respect for humans either. I'm disgusted by your experience, but it's probably one of those situations where you gotta move on.

cmosuna · Apr 25, 2012

Neal said:
What are the consequences of trespassing by a minor?

I can't understand why people have such disrespect for animals. The parents are apparently not concerned about what their children did, so I guess they have not respect for humans either. I'm disgusted by your experience, but it's probably one of those situations where you gotta move on.

First off I would like to thank everyone for their support and kind words, secondly it seems that Neal is probably right. No one cares but us Crazy people. Not Animal Control, not the police, not the kids, not their parents. Everyone I call or contact says sorry but nothing can be done, also found out the police never even took a report basically they were just humoring us. I am so disgusted, as good people we all believe that there are rules and when those rules are broken there are consequences and the honest truth is that most of the time there are not =/

JoesMum · Apr 25, 2012

This is awful! I wonder if the ASPCA could give you any advice?

I am certain the RSPCA would be able to help under similar circumstances where I live in the UK.

Merlin M · Apr 25, 2012

That is so sad! I hope you get them all back at least! really can't believe one was just lobbed over the fence (at least it was returned though...) Fingers crossed they keep out from now on!

MikeCow1 · Apr 25, 2012

Sadly, that seems to be the way of things here in OC, the police just don't want to do anything unless it's a major crime. This is not only trespassing but it is burglary. And, given the police response it shows the kids that they can do pretty much whatever they want and there will be no repercussions.

DixieParadise · Apr 25, 2012

Ok, there is something you can do as far as the police report. Are you saying the Officer did not take the report? If so, call Internal Affairs tell them of your incident. Let them know that you were not treated fairly and they you intend to pursue this. Call the local newspaper, news station. Let the neighbors know what is going on in their neighborhood. I gurantee you, you will get some attention and more positive than you think negative.

You are talking about turtles and tortoises, what if someones prized dog or cat was taken and injured? I would not just be satisfied with getting my pets back. That is what the family wants because they don't want legal trouble. That is what the Police want, because they were lazy in the investigation and reporting of your CRIME!!

Here is California's definition of Grand Theft:
Grand theft occurs when property valued at above $400 is unlawfully taken. Under California Penal Code 487, offenders can be charged for grand theft if the amount totals more than $400 over a 12-month period. For instance, if an offender is charged with stealing $125 on four separate occasions during a year, he or she can then be charged with grand theft once the amount is greater than $400. In some cases, if certain products such as domestic chickens and farm crops that are valued over $100 are stolen, a grand theft charge may apply. Grand theft is committed in the same four ways as petty theft. Penalties for being convicted of grand theft in California include anywhere from 16 to 36 months incarceration. There is additional jail time given depending on the amount stolen. For instance, in addition to the time given for grand theft, two years are added to the jail term when more than $1.3 million is taken.

Here is what California law says about trespassing:

PC 602 Part H

Entering a private property where animals are contained is illegal but is only punishable if signs are posted. Furthermore, animals cannot be removed or injured and any property or trespassing signs cannot be damaged. Place signs "at intervals not less than three per mile along all exterior boundaries and at all
roads and trails entering the land."

Hope this helps. Sorry so lengthy... I am just infuriated and mad at the disrespect that you and your pets were shown.

acrantophis · Apr 25, 2012

Call all the pet stores in your area and let them know that someone stole your tortoises and they may come in to sell them to the shop. Have them get their license plate number if possible. It worked for me when someone stole a bag of baby boas I had brought to a pet store to sell.

cmosuna · Apr 25, 2012

DixieParadise said:
Ok, there is something you can do as far as the police report. Are you saying the Officer did not take the report? If so, call Internal Affairs tell them of your incident. Let them know that you were not treated fairly and they you intend to pursue this. Call the local newspaper, news station. Let the neighbors know what is going on in their neighborhood. I gurantee you, you will get some attention and more positive than you think negative.

You are talking about turtles and tortoises, what if someones prized dog or cat was taken and injured? I would not just be satisfied with getting my pets back. That is what the family wants because they don't want legal trouble. That is what the Police want, because they were lazy in the investigation and reporting of your CRIME!!

Here is California's definition of Grand Theft:
Grand theft occurs when property valued at above $400 is unlawfully taken. Under California Penal Code 487, offenders can be charged for grand theft if the amount totals more than $400 over a 12-month period. For instance, if an offender is charged with stealing $125 on four separate occasions during a year, he or she can then be charged with grand theft once the amount is greater than $400. In some cases, if certain products such as domestic chickens and farm crops that are valued over $100 are stolen, a grand theft charge may apply. Grand theft is committed in the same four ways as petty theft. Penalties for being convicted of grand theft in California include anywhere from 16 to 36 months incarceration. There is additional jail time given depending on the amount stolen. For instance, in addition to the time given for grand theft, two years are added to the jail term when more than $1.3 million is taken.

Here is what California law says about trespassing:

PC 602 Part H

Entering a private property where animals are contained is illegal but is only punishable if signs are posted. Furthermore, animals cannot be removed or injured and any property or trespassing signs cannot be damaged. Place signs "at intervals not less than three per mile along all exterior boundaries and at all
roads and trails entering the land."

Hope this helps. Sorry so lengthy... I am just infuriated and mad at the disrespect that you and your pets were shown.

Many of the comments here today got me heated up, so I called the SPCA to which they told me they could do nothing. Then called the police back out to which they again told me the reason they did not take the names was because they were under the age of 14 and could not be convicted of a crime unless it was serious like murder or something. How fantastic.

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