Why do people breed Sulcata's

[-EJ]

They might be advertised at that but I can't get them at that price.

What is your point? What are you trying to get across to the members???

(I know... I lied. This is to interesting not to respond to)

OMG... you're antisulcata!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know how anyone can say that these are NOT being bred in great quantities.
LOOK at the links below, seven seperate ads all from today or yesterday. LOWEST PRICE IS 30$.

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=50&de=738207 35$
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=50&de=728434 55$
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=50&de=738157 45$
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=50&de=664193 75$
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=50&de=737808 30$
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=50&de=722522 55$
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=50&de=644659 50$

Oh, and don't forget, DISCOUNTS on more than one!

Ridiculous

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They might be advertised at that but I can't get them at that price.

What is your point? What are you trying to get across to the members???

(I know... I lied. This is to interesting not to respond to)

OMG... you're antisulcata!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know how anyone can say that these are NOT being bred in great quantities.
LOOK at the links below, seven seperate ads all from today or yesterday. LOWEST PRICE IS 30$.

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=50&de=738207 35$
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=50&de=728434 55$
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=50&de=738157 45$
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=50&de=664193 75$
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=50&de=737808 30$
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=50&de=722522 55$
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=50&de=644659 50$

Oh, and don't forget, DISCOUNTS on more than one!

Ridiculous

 

[Meg90]

EJ that is a personal attack if I have ever seen one. That is against the rules here.

 

[-EJ]

Rules... Rules... There are no steenking rules...

sorry couldn't resist.

For me to attack you personally I would have to know you... I don't.

I'm responding to a post on the internet. If you think that is personal... get a life.

EJ that is a personal attack if I have ever seen one. That is against the rules here.

 

[chadk]

Meg, first off, shipping will double the cost of most of those... But they are also meant to be sold to pet shops and retailers I think as they are being sold as groups:
MINIMUM ORDER IS 10 = 300.+ shopping overnight

 

[Meg90]

Shipping should not be taken into account. And even if it is, DOUBLE is only 60$ that's chumpchange. All of my CB Greeks were 200$ shipped. How many Sullies can I get for that price?

Find me someone wholesaling pancake tortoises that way, or Greeks, or Hermans.

Sullies are wholesaled cheap because they are the easiest tort to produce. Supply and demand. Look at aldabrans. Their prices are high because they are hard to come by. Sulcata prices are super low because they are not.

 

[TylerStewart]

Personally, I think calling ANYONE anti sulcata is ignorant.

Am I anti sully?

No.

Well considering you do nothing but rant about what a problem they are, how is someone to think otherwise? Heaven forbid someone admit that they're considering buying a sulcata. I stand by what I said, as I always do.

That's one of the most ridiculous things I have ever come across on this forum.

You mean, besides your next line:

There are verrrrrry verrrry few members here that have adult sulcata kept correctly. The majority of sulcata owners present and active on this forum, all have torts under 12 inches. That is small. Three may have been a bad estimate. Maybe there are more like 10.

You want to say that there are tons of people out there and not on the forum with well formed, and properly cared for sullies? I'd love to meet ONE of them. Every sulcata I have ever come across for rehoming is either golf ball sized and cute, or malformed. I have NEVER seen a sulcata tortoise up for "adoption" that had a perfect shell. Or even near to perfect.
The people that have those well formed torts are few and far between, and they KEEP them because it was hard to get them to that beautiful size and shape.

As if you have any clue on earth the health of the sulcatas of the 1000 (?) members on this forum. You "know" maybe 50 of them, and you "know" maybe 5-10 of their tortoises?

It's becoming very clear that you are extremely misled by the TortoiseForum bubble, or just don't get out much. I doubt that there's anyone else reading this that would agree with the notion that very few people out there (out of 7 billion in the world) have well formed sulcatas, besides the now 10 (after you upped your phony estimate) people in this forum. That statement alone blows all credibility you once had. Makes me nervous, too, as you just suggested in another thread that you'd feel comfortable buying from me LOL.

If I have time tomorrow, I'll run an ad on Kingsnake suggesting that everyone with a well formed sulcata, e-mail full sized photos to you. That way, you'll be able to verify for all our sake that there is indeed, someone else out there with a pretty sulcata. Let me know which e-mail address you want on the ad.

 

[Meg90]

Seriously. I am anti idiocy. And it runs rampant in the reptile world.

I will have a sulcata when I have the space. Would I buy one now living in an apartment? NO. But that is the most common excuse when people dump these animals. As if its a surprise that they grew so large.

I don't see sulcata without pyramiding. I'm in WI and I have yet to meet another keeper at an expo, or online that has a smooth CB sully.

Go ahead. Post your KS add. I would LOVE to see pictures of these hundreds upon hundreds of smoothly domed adult sulcatas. Please, post the results where everyone can see them.

 

[chadk]

Easiest to breed? How many years do you think it takes to get to breeding age and size? Rabbits are easy to breed. Torts? Not so much...

And the idea that you can judge care simply by shape of the shell from a pic is kinda silly as well. A full grown sullie will be 20-50yrs old (give or take) and who knows how many owners had it during the critical growing years. A guy could have 10 badly shaped sullies and have had them in perfect living conditions for the past 10 years...

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"What I am against is the prolific, ridiculous, uneducated breeding and selling of small sulcata by unscrupulous breeders and reptile dealerships. They provide them to the masses like Halloween candy...cheap, fun, and disposable."

Sounds like you are talking about BPs...

 

[Meg90]

Easiest TORT. They are prolific, large clutch sizes.

 

[TylerStewart]

Go ahead. Post your KS add. I would LOVE to see pictures of these hundreds upon hundreds of smoothly domed adult sulcatas. Please, post the results where everyone can see them.

You never told me what e-mail address you wanted to use for them to send you the photos. I'm not gonna post them. You're the one that wants someone to show you well formed sulcatas.

 

[Meg90]

I'm not the only one. The majority of people in this "debate" want to see it. People keep saying we are not seeing both sides of things.

I'm sure its not just little ol' me that wants to see all these success stories.

 

[TylerStewart]

I'm not the only one. The majority of people in this "debate" want to see it. People keep saying we are not seeing both sides of things.

I'm sure its not just little ol' me that wants to see all these success stories.

So friggin do some research. I don't have time to present you with a portfolio of photos just because you can't see outside the walls of your room. There's nothing for me to discover. You said you wanted to see them; go out and look.

 

[-EJ]

Can you email me directly at [email protected] I've got this problem in that I think I love you.

I'm not the only one. The majority of people in this "debate" want to see it. People keep saying we are not seeing both sides of things.

I'm sure its not just little ol' me that wants to see all these success stories.

 

[Meg90]

Awesome. So, an offer to post success stories? Or a ploy to get my email address!

You two are a real treat. And boy, do I love a thread that gets so many daily replies. I'd hate to sit here bored.

 

[Candy]

Wow you guys are really going after Meg and that's like ganging up on a person and it's really not fair. She's got valid points. Tyler she said that she would feel comfortable buying from you because you're a reputable breeder, but she also said only when she has the room. Meg might be a little hot headed (as she calls herself),( I would prefer to call it a passion) but that doesn't mean that she's wrong. I think this thread has gone beyond what it was meant to make people think about. Ej I have to tell you that I loved the pictures of your rescued Sulcata's they're all very beautiful, but they're still rescued whether the family was a good family or not.

 

[TylerStewart]

I'm not attacking Meg, just think her mindset is off. She's still my girl, even if we have our disagreements. Right Meg?

 

[Meg90]

Sure Tyler. I do love sulcata. I hope someday to have a few. I'm nursing a want to move to CA so I can have DTs as well.

I just think the fact that sullys are sold so tiny, and cute and cheap is why so many of them end up neglected and unwanted. If they had the 150$ on up price tag that most other species of torts do, people would think twice. Plus, I really only have ever seen poor neglected sullies. Most people have no idea what they are getting themselves into. Its the lack of caring, and research that pisses me off.

I also think that a large clutch size, and decent hatch rate makes everyone think CASH cow! I want me some breedin' sulcata! And then they sell them cheap just to make a quick buck. Wholesale is an easy way to make money in the reptile community.

 

[Candy]

I'm not attacking Meg, just think her mindset is off. She's still my girl, even if we have our disagreements. Right Meg?

That makes me feel better Tyler. I really thought you were going to scream at her. And you've got to admit she is one of the most caring animal lovers on this site.

 

[TylerStewart]

I'm not attacking Meg, just think her mindset is off. She's still my girl, even if we have our disagreements. Right Meg?

That makes me feel better Tyler. I really thought you were going to scream at her. And you've got to admit she is one of the most caring animal lovers on this site.

Aw come on, nothing can make me mad. The only thing I yell at is my dog when she's in trouble again.

 

[Candy]

You did make me wonder for a minute.