More pics:if i can get a good look at them i may be able to tell you i have seen 19 now in person i really have a good knowledge of what the variations look like now. so underground (as well as many other resellers (know underground DOES NOT breed these regardless of what they lead people to believe they buy them wholesale and resell them) have been shipping babies from a source with a bacteria called austwickia chelonae. its very nasty actually and is extremely hard if not impossible to get rid of. one of the specific symptoms is lack of growth. along with things like toenails falling off, yellow spots or bumps, necrosis of the skin or pieces of skin falling off (not shed actual skin) bottom jaw falling off, swelling in the face or usually upper body etc. they can have all of these or one of these. underground has been top on the list for a while now of how many cases we have seen i have been doing the best i can to keep track of every case i can i have nearly 200+ cases on my list now from different people. IF it has this it is highly contagious to other torts and reptiles (snakes, lizards, crocs etc its even been found in some crows) and its extremely hard to treat needing systemic anti biotics. just some info on why we are asking these questions now. you can post them here or you are welcome to message me. i have been doing research and lab work on this since march of this year proving what this is on more then one subject with more going to the lab this week.