Sulcata egg tooth still after 3 months?

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My baby sulcata Hank still has his egg tooth. I have done some investigating and come to the conclusion that it should have been gone around 5-6 week mark. He weights 53 grams and is four months old. I have had him for a week. Any suggestions?
 

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My baby sulcata Hank still has his egg tooth. I have done some investigating and come to the conclusion that it should have been gone around 5-6 week mark. He weights 53 grams and is four months old. I have had him for a week. Any suggestions?

Yes. Send us some pictures of the enclosure & tell us your daily routine with Hank.
 

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My baby sulcata Hank still has his egg tooth. I have done some investigating and come to the conclusion that it should have been gone around 5-6 week mark. He weights 53 grams and is four months old. I have had him for a week. Any suggestions?
At four months old Hank should be near 200 grams. Most breeders don't start sulcatas correctly, so slow growth is not unusual, but I'd bet Hank is younger than four months.
 
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At four months old Hank should be near 200 grams. Most breeders don't start sulcatas correctly, so slow growth is not unusual, but I'd bet Hank is younger than four months.
Yeah that might be possible. He might be alot younger than I think which won’t be a surprise. I have three Russian tortoises. Two are a breeding pair and one is just a little baby I named Boris. Boris is 4 months old now and weighs a good 120g which I didn’t think was too bad. He doesn’t have an egg tooth. Check the photo to see size difference and Hanks egg tooth. Hanks shell is still very soft which leads me to believe he is younger. Still got and egg tooth. Let me know what you think.
 

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My baby sulcata Hank still has his egg tooth. I have done some investigating and come to the conclusion that it should have been gone around 5-6 week mark. He weights 53 grams and is four months old. I have had him for a week. Any suggestions?
Just for size comparison this is mine at 5 weeks , 35g .
 

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Yes. Send us some pictures of the enclosure & tell us your daily routine with Hank.
Substrate is coco coir and reptibark. UVB T5 tube and a basking bulb 100w. I have a humidifier no longer aiming directly into the enclosure. Hank currently lives with my Horsfield and eastern Herman’s tortoise in their little enclosure. I got them all at similar times. I wake up at six and put them into soak for forty minutes whilst I get an exercise in. I then prepare food 10 minutes before the end of the soak and check on the plants outside. Once they are out I tour dry them, clear out watering dish, spot clean and then feed. I can hand feed both my tortoises I have been really lucky. Hank I managed to hand feed on the first day and he loves me to rub his head and scratch his butt lol. I got to school 8:30, come home 15:30, feed them a bit more and take them outside to roam. When I let them roam I just sit there and watch them I don’t do anything else. Bring them back inside. The thermostat will have turned off the lighting by that point and it is a nice sleepy time for them. Oh and on the weekends, I play chess with Hank. He beats me every time.
Just for size comparison this is mine at 5 weeks , 35g .
Wow that is definitely similar size. I would say Hank is eight weeks then maybe. How much does your 10 week weigh?
 

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Substrate is coco coir and reptibark. UVB T5 tube and a basking bulb 100w. I have a humidifier no longer aiming directly into the enclosure. Hank currently lives with my Horsfield and eastern Herman’s tortoise in their little enclosure. I got them all at similar times. I wake up at six and put them into soak for forty minutes whilst I get an exercise in. I then prepare food 10 minutes before the end of the soak and check on the plants outside. Once they are out I tour dry them, clear out watering dish, spot clean and then feed. I can hand feed both my tortoises I have been really lucky. Hank I managed to hand feed on the first day and he loves me to rub his head and scratch his butt lol. I got to school 8:30, come home 15:30, feed them a bit more and take them outside to roam. When I let them roam I just sit there and watch them I don’t do anything else. Bring them back inside. The thermostat will have turned off the lighting by that point and it is a nice sleepy time for them. Oh and on the weekends, I play chess with Hank. He beats me every time.

Wow that is definitely similar size. I would say Hank is eight weeks then maybe. How much does your 10 week weigh?
She’s about 60g at 10 weeks , eats like a cow lol
 

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Hank currently lives with my Horsfield and eastern Herman’s tortoise in their little enclosure.
This is terrible. Species should never be mixed, and the sulcata requires very different conditions than the other two species. The Russian and hermanni need a cool down at night. The sukcata needs to be kept above 27C at night. How are you doing that?Tortoises should also never be kept in pairs.

... and take them outside to roam. When I let them roam I just sit there and watch them I don’t do anything else.
This is also a bad idea that will eventually result in the loss of your tortoises.

Please read this and make some changes ASAP:

There is a temperate care sheet for your Russian and hermanni, and a tropical care sheet for your sulcata at the bottom.
 

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That is also under sized for a sulcata. Not terrible, but not what it should be either.
Just weighed her today she’s actually 70g so is piling on the grams. Best to let them grow at their own steady pace. No rush we have 130 years 😉
 

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Just weighed her today she’s actually 70g so is piling on the grams. Best to let them grow at their own steady pace. No rush we have 130 years 😉
70 is better, but that is roughly half of what they usually weigh at that age when started correctly, and fed a weedy grassy diet. Add in Mazuri, and they grow even more.

It is not a question of "growing at their own pace" or rushing. It is a question of the care they receive, or don't receive, at the breeder's facility. Almost no one starts this species correctly, and the usual result is slower than "normal" growth for the first few months, and sometime years. I do not advocate "fast" growth. I advocate for good hydration, proper warmth and humidity, and a varied diet made up of high fiber foods and grass for this species. I don't care how fast they grow. I care how healthy they grow. After hatching and raising hundreds or thousands of them, a person begins to see trends and learn what the "norm" is. If your baby had the typical dry start that most of them receive, then 70 grams at 10 weeks is good news and it indicates that you are doing something right. Many of them stall at 50 grams and eventually die. You've made it past that point, and are well into the "safe zone". But for you and anyone reading this, 70 grams at 10 weeks is a little small for a sulcata. They hatch at 30-35 grams and should double their hatch weight in the first month, if all has been done correctly. The growth becomes exponential after that point.

No one knows the life span of this species, or any other tortoise species. Any number given is either made up, or a repetition of someone else's made up number.
 

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70 is better, but that is roughly half of what they usually weigh at that age when started correctly, and fed a weedy grassy diet. Add in Mazuri, and they grow even more.

It is not a question of "growing at their own pace" or rushing. It is a question of the care they receive, or don't receive, at the breeder's facility. Almost no one starts this species correctly, and the usual result is slower than "normal" growth for the first few months, and sometime years. I do not advocate "fast" growth. I advocate for good hydration, proper warmth and humidity, and a varied diet made up of high fiber foods and grass for this species. I don't care how fast they grow. I care how healthy they grow. After hatching and raising hundreds or thousands of them, a person begins to see trends and learn what the "norm" is. If your baby had the typical dry start that most of them receive, then 70 grams at 10 weeks is good news and it indicates that you are doing something right. Many of them stall at 50 grams and eventually die. You've made it past that point, and are well into the "safe zone". But for you and anyone reading this, 70 grams at 10 weeks is a little small for a sulcata. They hatch at 30-35 grams and should double their hatch weight in the first month, if all has been done correctly. The growth becomes exponential after that point.

No one knows the life span of this species, or any other tortoise species. Any number given is either made up, or a repetition of someone else's made up number.
She’s been fed masuri straight out of the egg along with a grassy diet, she has continued on masuri as I feed it regularly and she woofs it down as does she with the weeds/grass I grow for her until she goes out. I swap out the trays weekly for her as they are fast growing , she was 35g when I got her she’s double that now , I’ve had her a month. So I think I’m doing everything she needs. And correctly. After months of research and patience we found a breeder close enough for us to get one (8 hours away) and that breeder has done all the right things to bring her up correct food/temps/humidity, so kinda just shows even if they are brought on correctly from the start , they will still grow as fast as they want lol
 

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She’s been fed masuri straight out of the egg along with a grassy diet, she has continued on masuri as I feed it regularly and she woofs it down as does she with the weeds/grass I grow for her until she goes out. I swap out the trays weekly for her as they are fast growing , she was 35g when I got her she’s double that now , I’ve had her a month. So I think I’m doing everything she needs. And correctly. After months of research and patience we found a breeder close enough for us to get one (8 hours away) and that breeder has done all the right things to bring her up correct food/temps/humidity, so kinda just shows even if they are brought on correctly from the start , they will still grow as fast as they want lol
 

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She’s been fed masuri straight out of the egg along with a grassy diet, she has continued on masuri as I feed it regularly and she woofs it down as does she with the weeds/grass I grow for her until she goes out. I swap out the trays weekly for her as they are fast growing , she was 35g when I got her she’s double that now , I’ve had her a month. So I think I’m doing everything she needs. And correctly. After months of research and patience we found a breeder close enough for us to get one (8 hours away) and that breeder has done all the right things to bring her up correct food/temps/humidity, so kinda just shows even if they are brought on correctly from the start , they will still grow as fast as they want lol
You have a lot of misunderstandings. My goal is not to upset you, but to inform you. All of the research you did, and do, is all the old wrong info that has been parroted for decades. There is a HUGE problem with incorrect tortoise care info in the world, and most sources outside of this forum have not caught on to this sad fact.

If your tortoise is the size that it is, then it was not started correctly, or it has not been housed correctly. I suspect the former, but I don't really know how you are housing the tortoise or what your temps are. If it has doubled in weight while in your care, then I suspect you are doing things correctly, but the breeder did not, as usual.

If the tortoise was 35 grams when you got it month ago, why did it not grow at all while in the breeder's care for 6 weeks? They hatch at 30-35 grams. I had a some hatch at over 40 grams, the record being 44, but the norm was 30-35. This is after rinsing off the incubation media, but before allowing access to food and water. All of them, we are talking well over 1000 babies over a 12 year span, doubled their hatch weight in the first month. I know this because I always held them for at least a month and usually 6-8 weeks before selling, and I send a picture of them on the scale to each buyer as I pack them up for shipping. Do you see why I say something was wrong? Or not done correctly?


There are only a few breeders over here that start them correctly. I have yet to hear of a single one over there that does. They seem to still mistakenly believe that they are "desert" animals and need dry conditions.

Which type of Mazuri have you been feeding? LS, or the original 5M21?

If I have not infuriated and frustrated you, and you are wondering what in the heck I'm talking about, take a look at these threads for more info:



My intention is to share what has been learned by me and others over the last 15 years about tortoise care, with the sole goal of improving tortoise care around the world. What you have read and been told elsewhere is largely wrong info. I want to give you the right info, and also explain why we KNOW it is the right info. I mean you no insult of any kind. Questions and conversation are welcome.
 
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This is terrible. Species should never be mixed, and the sulcata requires very different conditions than the other two species. The Russian and hermanni need a cool down at night. The sukcata needs to be kept above 27C at night. How are you doing that?Tortoises should also never be kept in pairs.


This is also a bad idea that will eventually result in the loss of your tortoises.

Please read this and make some changes ASAP:

There is a temperate care sheet for your Russian and hermanni, and a tropical care sheet for your sulcata at the bottom.
No I don’t house them together I just let them be by each other and interact during the day. They each have different enclosures. My Hermanns and russian live together because they are both testudo tortoises. They have the same diet and same humidity. My sulcata lives in his own enclosure but when I get home from school, I like to let them socialise as they are very friendly lol.
 

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You have a lot of misunderstandings. My goal is not to upset you, but to inform you. All of the research you did, and do, is all the old wrong info that has been parroted for decades. There is a HUGE problem with incorrect tortoise care info in the world, and most sources outside of this forum have not caught on to this sad fact.

If your tortoise is the size that it is, then it was not started correctly, or it has not been housed correctly. I suspect the former, but I don't really know how you are housing the tortoise or what your temps are. If it has doubled in weight while in your care, then I suspect you are doing things correctly, but the breeder did not, as usual.

If the tortoise was 35 grams when you got it month ago, why did it not grow at all while in the breeder's care for 6 weeks? They hatch at 30-35 grams. I had a some hatch at over 40 grams, the record being 44, but the norm was 30-35. This is after rinsing off the incubation media, but before allowing access to food and water. All of them, we are talking well over 1000 babies over a 12 year span, doubled their hatch weight in the first month. I know this because I always held them for at least a month and usually 6-8 weeks before selling, and I send a picture of them on the scale to each buyer as I pack them up for shipping. Do you see why I say something was wrong? Or not done correctly?


There are only a few breeders over here that start them correctly. I have yet to hear of a single one over there that does. They seem to still mistakenly believe that they are "desert" animals and need dry conditions.

Which type of Mazuri have you been feeding? LS, or the original 5M21?

If I have not infuriated and frustrated you, and you are wondering what in the heck I'm talking about, take a look at these threads for more info:



My intention is to share what has been learned by me and others over the last 15 years about tortoise care, with the sole goal of improving tortoise care around the world. What you have read and been told elsewhere is largely wrong info. I want to give you the right info, and also explain why we KNOW it is the right info. I mean you no insult of any kind. Questions and conversation are welcome.
That’s why I’m here on this forum, to learn more like I said I’ve only had her 4 weeks so I want to raise her right, it’s the 5M21 and here in the UK it’s hard to come by , and expensive but none the less I’m getting it for her even if imported from states which I think I will have to do eventually. Advice is good. Thank you 😊
 

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No I don’t house them together I just let them be by each other and interact during the day. They each have different enclosures. My Hermanns and russian live together because they are both testudo tortoises. They have the same diet and same humidity. My sulcata lives in his own enclosure but when I get home from school, I like to let them socialise as they are very friendly lol.
They are not being friendly and they should not be socializing together
Even the Hermann and Russian should not be living together, tortoises should not be housed in pairs. What you think is socializing is actually bullying. You are putting your tortoises in danger by doing this.
 
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