Russian Tortoise

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Hi!
I’m new to posting here, so I hope I am providing all of the correct things I need to post in order to get some helpful insight.

My Russian tortoise (appears to be a year old? Unsure) has been acting extremely out of character.

Some are saying he may be constipated, so I have been soaking him more frequently with no luck. The only hopeful thing is his appetite has come back, and he’s drinking A LOT of water.

I have had him for a year now, and understand that when the weather gets cold, activity slows down, but it appears that he is having trouble lifting himself up to walk.

I have never seen this before- all of his legs are able to move, but he cannot prop the back of himself up.

I was given the wrong diet information when we got him, and was told romaine lettuce was fine to feed him. So for the first 7-8 months, he was eating the romaine and he had A LOT of energy, was never lethargic.

I recently switched him to a diet of arugula, chard, cucumber (sparingly) and I give him calcium powder without D3 3-4 times a week, every other day. This diet change was abrupt, but he still seemed okay until a week ago.

We had a vet appt today and they cancelled. It is the only reptile vet in my area that was open today, but the reptile specialist called out sick.

Here are other concerns:

  • has been lethargic
  • has not pooped in almost a week, also has not been passing urates
  • has trouble crawling in and out of food dish and water dish, I usually have to prop the back of him up so he can crawl in
  • irritated eyes/scratching at eyes, one eye appears faintly red with no discharge or tears that I can see
  • lately when trying to walk, he cannot lift himself, his legs move, but the front leg can’t seem to plant itself on the ground/any substrate. Back of shell seems to drag.
  • he no longer digs or burrows
Hydration:
Soaks for 10-20 minutes a day, only seems interested in drinking water when soaking, although a water dish is kept in his enclosure.

Lighting:
Heat lamp stays on for 12 hours a day, 6-9 am until 6-9 pm
The UVB we have is a coil light- as suggested by the pet store but I am now hearing coils are bad?

Substrate:
Reptisoil fills most of his enclosure, while I left some wood chips on the other side because once again- pet store recommended it, and he seems comfortable with the wood chips. I recently added the soil, but he’s been acting funky before I added soil.
 

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I hope you will soon get some very much needed advice from our experts here. There is a lot that is wrong in how he has been kept. @wellington @Yvonne G
 

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I hope you will soon get some very much needed advice from our experts here. There is a lot that is wrong in how he has been kept. @wellington @Yvonne G
Unfortunately I hear all different kinds of advice and never know which is the correct advice to take. He was fine up until a few days ago… and there’s barely any vets near me. The soonest appt I can get is Friday.
I hope you will soon get some very much needed advice from our experts here. There is a lot that is wrong in how he has been kept. @wellington @Yvonne G
 

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Hi there and welcome. This care sheet will be a good place to start if you've not come across it yet, and may help you problem solve https://tortoiseforum.org/threads/info-for-new-people-please-read-this-first.202363/

First adjustment I would make is to swap out your coil UVB bulb for a linear UVB kit which is a better long term option, and better for your tort's eyes. The Arcadia T5 12% UVB kit is used by many keepers with your species.
 

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What are the temps? Basking? Day? Night? Cool side?
He needs a basking temp of 95-100
Day temps vary from 75 to 80
Night temps for winter not lower then 70. Summer night temps can be into 60's.
Humidity of 50% to 80%
He looks to have metabolic bone disease due to a poor diet.
Get rid of the coil bulb they cause eye problems and give lousy uvb.
Get a tube fluorescent for uvb
Flood bulb for basking and a
Ceramic heat emitter for night temps.
Soak him daily
Improve the diet considerably.
 

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What are the temps? Basking? Day? Night? Cool side?
He needs a basking temp of 95-100
Day temps vary from 75 to 80
Night temps for winter not lower then 70. Summer night temps can be into 60's.
Humidity of 50% to 80%
He looks to have metabolic bone disease due to a poor diet.
Get rid of the coil bulb they cause eye problems and give lousy uvb.
Get a tube fluorescent for uvb
Flood bulb for basking and a
Ceramic heat emitter for night temps.
Soak him daily
Improve the diet considerably.
Temps are good, I soak him daily, and as for the diet, I’m constantly being told different things to feed him. I trust the information on here much more, do you have recommendations for a good diet? And what makes you say he has MBD? I feel so horrible… I do the best I can with the information I have… I just wish I knew the information I was given was wrong.
 

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Temps are good, I soak him daily, and as for the diet, I’m constantly being told different things to feed him. I trust the information on here much more, do you have recommendations for a good diet? And what makes you say he has MBD? I feel so horrible… I do the best I can with the information I have… I just wish I knew the information I was given was wrong.
He is very flat looking. Not being able to walk/lift himself and the poor diet he had. It's just my guess from what I see and what you have said. I could be wrong.
I will see if I can find a link to diet.
 

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And what makes you say he has MBD?
The poor diet, poor UV source, and the current symptoms.

Unfortunately you are another victim of bad pet store advice. We will try to help. Start with the thread that PollyAda linked.
 

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The poor diet, poor UV source, and the current symptoms.

Unfortunately you are another victim of bad pet store advice. We will try to help. Start with the thread that PollyAda linked.
Thank you for your response, I wanted to post an update and say that upon taking Toes to the vet, he unfortunately is suffering from MBD and he is undersized. We were informed that UVB bulbs need to be replaced and we had no idea. We picked up a new bulb, and are providing him with supplements, trying our very best to get him to eat although it’s a struggle. He doesn’t show any interest in the Mazuri pellets we got advised by the vet, but we are keeping an eye on temperatures and are trying so hard to get him to eat. The vet said he is too small to be syringe fed. Soaking him twice a day to stay hydrated, and he managed to drag himself an inch forward the other night. He goes for a recheck in two weeks. I hope he’ll be okay as he’s still young.
 

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Thank you for your response, I wanted to post an update and say that upon taking Toes to the vet, he unfortunately is suffering from MBD and he is undersized. We were informed that UVB bulbs need to be replaced and we had no idea. We picked up a new bulb, and are providing him with supplements, trying our very best to get him to eat although it’s a struggle. He doesn’t show any interest in the Mazuri pellets we got advised by the vet, but we are keeping an eye on temperatures and are trying so hard to get him to eat. The vet said he is too small to be syringe fed. Soaking him twice a day to stay hydrated, and he managed to drag himself an inch forward the other night. He goes for a recheck in two weeks. I hope he’ll be okay as he’s still young.
Thank you for the update.

No one is born knowing this stuff. We all have to learn it. Our goal here on TFO is to help people learn it quick and minimize the common mistakes that are caused by the vast majority of people who do research and don't realize that almost everything they find is the old wrong info. People spend a bunch of money and try so hard, only to find out what they were told or what they read or watched was all wrong. Its frustrating, to say the least.

Please read the links that were left here. Most vets don't know much about tortoise care, the ever evolving care info, and the constantly changing tortoise marketplace and products. There is no semester on tortoise care in vet school. Even the vets that keep their own tortoises get their info from the same wrong sources as everyone else. Just be aware of this fact, and use appropriate caution.
 

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