Please help in saving these reptiles and their skins (video)

[Laura]

I wish it could be more Humane.. and I hate to see the meat go to waste.. if they are going to do this.. at least dont waste it..

 

[Candy]

Thank you guys for your posts and I'm hoping that your suggestions are right for the animals sake. I don't know much about reptiles when they are killed. I do know about chickens and a few others. Tyler I don't want to make this about PETA, but I have to ask you where this came from because I've heard it before. This is your statement now let me see your proof.

I wonder if all the dogs and cats they killed last year were put down in a more humane way. It was something like 97% of the animals they had taken in that got put down, after all. If they spent their millions of dollars on actually taking care of animals instead of preaching to us all not to keep them, we wouldn't have homeless animals.

Ever since TFO members chatted about PETA the last time I've been reading up a lot on them and yet haven't seen anything that proves this comment. Can you please give me your research on this matter so I can read who put it out or where it originated? Thank you.

 

[terryo]

Remember to keep an open mind Candy, because IMHO no matter who prints it, or what it is about, maybe half of it is true. I rarely believe anything that the media prints. Just my thoughts.

 

[TylerStewart]

Thank you guys for your posts and I'm hoping that your suggestions are right for the animals sake. I don't know much about reptiles when they are killed. I do know about chickens and a few others. Tyler I don't want to make this about PETA, but I have to ask you where this came from because I've heard it before. This is your statement now let me see your proof.

I wonder if all the dogs and cats they killed last year were put down in a more humane way. It was something like 97% of the animals they had taken in that got put down, after all. If they spent their millions of dollars on actually taking care of animals instead of preaching to us all not to keep them, we wouldn't have homeless animals.

Ever since TFO members chatted about PETA the last time I've been reading up a lot on them and yet haven't seen anything that proves this comment. Can you please give me your research on this matter so I can read who put it out or where it originated? Thank you.

Well, I didn't remember a specific place I saw this, but a simple google search shows up lots of the same results. If you search for How many animals does PETA kill, there's many many links showing numbers. For starters:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_Peta_kill_animals
http://www.thisistrue.com/peta.html

This link has official documentation: http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

There's no shortage of similar stories. I'm not sure how you could miss them with any search of PETA.

Laura - In all reality, I guarantee that meat was eaten. Just because a PETA video says it was wasted, look at the people doing it. They probably do it more for the food than the skins.

 

[Candy]

Thanks Tyler I'm going to look at these now. Terry I am aware of what you are telling me. I will try to keep an open mind thanks.

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O.K. Tyler really our government sucks? These sites are not what I consider reputable sites. I've read what they say their proof is and I'm not finding any. I'm just finding people trying to prove things without showing facts. Isn't that what you get mad a PETA for? Give me something more reputable. I need newspaper articles or transcripts from court or something else then this. if they were busted like these articles say then where's the proof? Do you really believe these kinds of printings? PETA's huge do you really think that this kind of thing wouldn't have been put on the news somewhere? Do you think that there wouldn't be more press then these little new articles that you've posted? I need to see legal documentation before I believe anything these people would say. I would think that their organization would have been brought up on some sort of a charge but I'm not seeing that from what you've given me.

 

[TylerStewart]

Come on, Candy, that was 3 links in a list of 100,000 that say the same thing. Do a search yourself. If you're believing PETA's site over thousands of others, you're never going to be convinced. Here's one more for you:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=27865922

Sorry, in re-watching this, there is some bad language. Get the kids out of the room.

 

[Candy]

You made a statement about PETA killing so many dogs and I asked you for proof that's all. What I was looking for is the same as (let's say) a high school teacher or a college professor would want if one of his students was writing a paper on PETA. Their not going to except non reputable sites like "Wiki Answer" like you posted. I want to read legal documentation or something from a major newspaper that tell me that this has been verified and proven as fact not someone who's just trying to make PETA look bad for their own agenda. I'm trying to see your guys side of it, but your right I'm not going to convinced with sites like these.

 

[TylerStewart]

What agenda? I'm not running for politics. I don't care if you believe me or any link - you asked for links, so I gave you a small fraction from the first page. If you're going to blindly believe one source and ignore hundreds or thousands of others, that's your decision to make. I love how we're supposed to watch your little 2 minute clip and assume it's completely true and as pure as the wind driven snow, yet you ignore several other things thrown back to you. Think what you want, it doesn't affect me. I'm surprised you don't feel guilty keeping tortoises. That is clearly against the principles of the group you can't seem to cut the umbilical chord from.

I haven't even read these besides the headline, but here they are. Again, there's no shortage.

SFGate.com (likely a liberal news site): http://articles.sfgate.com/2005-06-23/opinion/17379611_1_peta-s-web-animal-cruelty-dead-animals

Center for Consumer Freedom: http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/h/2833-peta-kills-animals----and-its-a-felony

If all these stories were false, PETA would be filing lawsuits against the many people making this information public. Interesting that they're not.

 

[chairman]

Here's a couple news articles based on an AP news release about the number of animals PETA has euthanized. They're not exactly "unbaised."
http://web.archive.org/web/20070308...une.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1420
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/06/23/EDG11DC9BK1.DTL

Here's a response from PETA confirming that the statistics regarding the number of deaths is fairly accurate. Obviously they disagree with the articles' conclusions about justifying the animals' deaths.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040210045810/http://www.petrescueonline.org/newsinfo/petaeu2.htm

Here are two sources from PETA themselves about why they euthanize. Obviously slanted in their favor (good foils to other sources).
http://www.peta.org/MC/factsheet_display.asp?ID=39
http://blog.peta.org/archives/2009/03/why_we_euthaniz.php

The truth lies somewhere between PETA and the folks who disapprove of PETA. I don't like most of what PETA does, but let's face it, only absolute NUTS get media attention, so that means we need some absolute nuts screaming about animals to make sure that people pay attention to the issues.

 

[terryo]

Thanks Tyler I'm going to look at these now. Terry I am aware of what you are telling me. I will try to keep an open mind thanks.

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O.K. Tyler really our government sucks? These sites are not what I consider reputable sites. I've read what they say their proof is and I'm not finding any. I'm just finding people trying to prove things without showing facts. Isn't that what you get mad a PETA for? Give me something more reputable. I need newspaper articles or transcripts from court or something else then this. if they were busted like these articles say then where's the proof? Do you really believe these kinds of printings? PETA's huge do you really think that this kind of thing wouldn't have been put on the news somewhere? Do you think that there wouldn't be more press then these little new articles that you've posted? I need to see legal documentation before I believe anything these people would say. I would think that their organization would have been brought up on some sort of a charge but I'm not seeing that from what you've given me.

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Exactly what I'm talking about.

 

[chadk]

What is interesting is that a few of you seem to take PETA at face value, yet scrutinize anything or anyone who speaks against them. Yet they have been shown time and again to lie, cheat, and steel to keep their funds flowing from the gullible masses.... (and idiotic celebrities)...

 

[terryo]

What is interesting is that a few of you seem to take PETA at face value, yet scrutinize anything or anyone who speaks against them. Yet they have been shown time and again to lie, cheat, and steel to keep their funds flowing from the gullible masses.... (and idiotic celebrities)...

Not me Chad....I believe NOTHING I read, unless I am there and see it with my own eyes...unfortunately I am a very cynical person because I have been burnt VERY badly....time heals NOTHING as far as I'm concerned.

 

[TylerStewart]

I'd be interested to see if anyone can find a link from a credible source saying what a peaceful, loving and honest group PETA is. How about something from someone besides them talking about the high percentage of animals that they find homes for? How about money spent on actual care of animals versus propaganda? I bet that would be a lot harder to find than the exact opposite has been!

The entire defense of PETA so far has came directly from PETA's website (and Candy LOL).

 

[terryo]

Here we go again......Most...no, all....organizations out there have done their share of good....and bad, including the PETA.....IMO. I can't think of one organization or charity that has a 100% (good) or (bad) record. In most cases there is a Politician with his filthy hand in there some place.