I bought them from backwater reptiles. They only sell ornates and easterns on their website. Last year the turtle source had a sale on their ornate hatchlings. When I went to order them they were sold out. Along with every other website I looked up. Backwater reptiles had ornate and eastern hatchlings on sale. Unfortunately I ignored the bad reviews and bought them anyway. I won't make that mistake again. It's been a learning experience for sure.