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She is on Rimadyl now still and has been..... she is slowly improving but they are still not 100% what the problem is. We know she had the luxating patella but that is vastly improved.. There have been a lot of possibilities ruled out for various reasons and Her case is now being reviewed by a bulldog specialist in Texarkana.. I should hear back the middle of next week on that.. I’m starting to believe that it must be related to the massive growth spurt that happened within 2months... no other dog breed that I can think of gains that much weight in such a short amount of time... it’s bound to stress your joints and bones. She should be leveling out now and I have her on many supplements.. she is not overweight at all, just very much the bulldog shape. I am praying that this is all it is..
Silly, but do you add or find Vitamin C included in his food. I have given my dogs Vitamin C supplements as puppies and adult females over the years and have wonderful hips and joints (Toy, Medium and Giant breeds). Dogs produce their vitamin C via the liver, but he may be outgrowing the amount produced. I have been using Dogzymes Cran-Tri-C Cranberry and Vitamin C Blend 1418mg per Teaspoon for the last year and I really like it. Before I was giving everybody Vitamin C supplements in their food and all girls have been on a cranberry regiment for years (Really bad UTI in a Chow that was even on prescription food for a while) to fight UTI's. The CRan-TRi-C lets me get the cranberry and the vitamin c at the same time, I know it can be done cheaper, but they are very reliable and it saves me a ton of time. My two cents!
 

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Silly, but do you add or find Vitamin C included in his food. I have given my dogs Vitamin C supplements as puppies and adult females over the years and have wonderful hips and joints (Toy, Medium and Giant breeds). Dogs produce their vitamin C via the liver, but he may be outgrowing the amount produced. I have been using Dogzymes Cran-Tri-C Cranberry and Vitamin C Blend 1418mg per Teaspoon for the last year and I really like it. Before I was giving everybody Vitamin C supplements in their food and all girls have been on a cranberry regiment for years (Really bad UTI in a Chow that was even on prescription food for a while) to fight UTI's. The CRan-TRi-C lets me get the cranberry and the vitamin c at the same time, I know it can be done cheaper, but they are very reliable and it saves me a ton of time. My two cents!
Two cents is often what you need to make the whole dollar;-)
I have her on the nu-vet supplement and salmon oil... I had planned on using the cod instead of salmon but haven’t found that locally yet.. I’ll check out the cran-tri-c..
 

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Two cents is often what you need to make the whole dollar;-)
I have her on the nu-vet supplement and salmon oil... I had planned on using the cod instead of salmon but haven’t found that locally yet.. I’ll check out the cran-tri-c..
Excellent! WHen I got him Jackson at 5 months (Newfie) the VET said he had loose hips. THey X-rayed fine, but felt loose to her. After being on the vitamin supplement for 6 months he tightened up. Mayeb the Vitamin C maybe not, but given how important it can be in growth I would not take a chance. Plus with the water therapy Cinder should turn out fine!
 

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when she doesn't get rimadyl does it still look better ? they x-rayed her spine ?
 

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So we finally heard back from the Bulldog Vet... He reassured me that Cinder does not have any issues with her hips, bones, or tears in ligaments... he said that the problem stems from the luxating patella.. he said there was significant changes in the growth plates on her films that were only 10 days apart... not bad changes, just so much that everything can’t keep up..he wouldn’t even consider surgery for it for at least a year.. at which point time will have accelerated or reduced / possibly fixed the problem..since she has been showing improvement, he said it’s likely that we can strengthen her ligaments with exercise to hold the patella in place. ( I think we already have) ...
 

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So we finally heard back from the Bulldog Vet... He reassured me that Cinder does not have any issues with her hips, bones, or tears in ligaments... he said that the problem stems from the luxating patella.. he said there was significant changes in the growth plates on her films that were only 10 days apart... not bad changes, just so much that everything can’t keep up..he wouldn’t even consider surgery for it for at least a year.. at which point time will have accelerated or reduced / possibly fixed the problem..since she has been showing improvement, he said it’s likely that we can strengthen her ligaments with exercise to hold the patella in place. ( I think we already have) ...
I can't get over how much she's grown in such a short time!
 

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So we finally heard back from the Bulldog Vet... He reassured me that Cinder does not have any issues with her hips, bones, or tears in ligaments... he said that the problem stems from the luxating patella.. he said there was significant changes in the growth plates on her films that were only 10 days apart... not bad changes, just so much that everything can’t keep up..he wouldn’t even consider surgery for it for at least a year.. at which point time will have accelerated or reduced / possibly fixed the problem..since she has been showing improvement, he said it’s likely that we can strengthen her ligaments with exercise to hold the patella in place. ( I think we already have) ...
walks , hills and upstairs is great exercise for dogs with hindquarter problems …… controlled walks , torque and high impact are bad ...…...…. the more the knee comes out , the easier and more often it will ……. at least that's been my anecdotal experience …....
 

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walks , hills and upstairs is great exercise for dogs with hindquarter problems …… controlled walks , torque and high impact are bad ...…...…. the more the knee comes out , the easier and more often it will ……. at least that's been my anecdotal experience …....
Swimming swimming and more swimming... it will be helpful when the weather stays warm and I can utilize the pool or lake with her life jacket... she so smart that she’s know how to let the water out of the tub... I even switched the plug to a generic stopper and she will stick her head under and pull that out too!!!
 

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So we finally heard back from the Bulldog Vet... He reassured me that Cinder does not have any issues with her hips, bones, or tears in ligaments... he said that the problem stems from the luxating patella.. he said there was significant changes in the growth plates on her films that were only 10 days apart... not bad changes, just so much that everything can’t keep up..he wouldn’t even consider surgery for it for at least a year.. at which point time will have accelerated or reduced / possibly fixed the problem..since she has been showing improvement, he said it’s likely that we can strengthen her ligaments with exercise to hold the patella in place. ( I think we already have) ...
Wow! Your kids hair got a lot longer! 😀
 

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Wow! Your kids hair got a lot longer! 😀
Lol!!!!! Guys always get the best hair and eyelashes & he’s no exception! We keep the hair cutting place in business... he had always liked it short until he made best friends with another little boy who wears it a bit long... my speculations are just that it’s neat n clean I suppose;-)
 

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glad to hear it's not much of nothing …….. I've been conditioning and rehabbing dogs forever , and before that the guy that raised me conditioned dogs ….. a dogs legs are meant to carry their weight , there is no exercise for them better than walking , except trotting , and that is not always possible with dogs with orthopedic problems , walking is , if it's not , been my experience the end is near …...... I've got a lifetime dealing with dog orthopedic problems , and brachycephalic syndrome, exactly the problems English bulldogs face ……. selecting , breeding and exercising those issues out of my dogs …..if you don't know , pretty much all english bulldogs are dysplastic , same with dogue de Bordeaux , difference is a ddb may weigh 170lbs …….. big dogs die from going lame often , they go lame because their rear legs won't hold their weight , they get weak from lack of use , a dysplastic dog will compensate by shifting more weight to the front , which leads to further atrophy of the rear , which exacerbates the problem which is a fatal problem……..hills and stairs prevent them from shifting the weight off the rear ….. impact is important to the health of their joints , just not excessive impact ..……. I've had some pretty dysplastic dogs , never had one die from going lame …… exercising dogs with orthopedic issues , getting them better rather than worse , and maintaining them is a skill , common sense and experience ………….. swimming is safe , an English bulldog is not a large dog , don't know how often they are put down for being lame ? but dogs like I've had get put down for lame often …… 2nd from bottom x-ray is the 12yr old dogue pictured above it , the x-ray was him at 2yrs , that is a moderately dysplastic hip , the reason there is no OA was the way he was raised , at that time many vets viewed hd as a death sentence , managed properly , in 30yrs raising those dog it's not been my experience ……. the bottom x-ray is what I was getting after 8 generation ……….. hand walking was a big deal ……….






















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glad to hear it's not much of nothing …….. I've been conditioning and rehabbing dogs forever , and before that the guy that raised me conditioned dogs ….. a dogs legs are meant to carry their weight , there is no exercise for them better than walking , except trotting , and that is not always possible with dogs with orthopedic problems , walking is , if it's not , been my experience the end is near …...... I've got a lifetime dealing with dog orthopedic problems , and brachycephalic syndrome, exactly the problems English bulldogs face ……. selecting , breeding and exercising those issues out of my dogs …..if you don't know , pretty much all english bulldogs are dysplastic , same with dogue de Bordeaux , difference is a ddb may weigh 170lbs …….. big dogs die from going lame often , they go lame because their rear legs won't hold their weight , they get weak from lack of use , a dysplastic dog will compensate by shifting more weight to the front , which leads to further atrophy of the rear , which exacerbates the problem which is a fatal problem……..hills and stairs prevent them from shifting the weight off the rear ….. impact is important to the health of their joints , just not excessive impact ..……. I've had some pretty dysplastic dogs , never had one die from going lame …… exercising dogs with orthopedic issues , getting them better rather than worse , and maintaining them is a skill , common sense and experience ………….. swimming is safe , an English bulldog is not a large dog , don't know how often they are put down for being lame ? but dogs like I've had get put down for lame often …… 2nd from bottom x-ray is the 12yr old dogue pictured above it , the x-ray was him at 2yrs , that is a moderately dysplastic hip , the reason there is no OA was the way he was raised , at that time many vets viewed hd as a death sentence , managed properly , in 30yrs raising those dog it's not been my experience ……. the bottom x-ray is what I was getting after 8 generation ……….. hand walking was a big deal ……….


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Wow! Those are gorgeous dogs! Pretty amazing difference. I have never had a lot of faith in most vets . I certainly don’t think I’m smarter than anyone, but sometimes a little common sense goes along way... most vets these days are overworked and tend to look for the most common diagnosis or most expensive solution...I don’t think they put the EB’s down for lameness so much as rushing in to do total hip replacements or other surgeries that probably are not always necessary.. also, the breeders these days are in it for the money and not the health of the dogs... they are spreading and increasing more genetic problems instead of breeding them out.. it’s sad! I really appreciate your knowledge and advice... Thank you!

When Cinder was smaller, she would get congested very easily and it would build up and turn into a bacterial infection... her vet at the time ( no longer) recommended a soft Palette surgery... I fixed the problem with a half of teaspoon of lemon juice every time she’d get all congested... after a week, she learned to clear her nose \ throat... it has never happened again... I read the tip on a bull dog forum but no vet in the world would have told me that ... just goes to show......
 

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