This is so frustrating, heart breaking, sad....
http://www.turtlesurvival.org/compo...cid=d2daebf293&mc_eid=72e6faa68f#.W9S_inpKjOQ
http://www.turtlesurvival.org/compo...cid=d2daebf293&mc_eid=72e6faa68f#.W9S_inpKjOQ
"Conservation through commercialization" - Tom CrutchfieldHmmm.... Outright bans don't work. What a surprise!
Maybe we should look at making LEGAL REGULATED trade in captive bred radiata a hell of a lot easier so market demand can be met WITHOUT taking any of them from the wild ever again?
Hmmm.... Outright bans don't work. What a surprise!
Maybe we should look at making LEGAL REGULATED trade in captive bred radiata a hell of a lot easier so market demand can be met WITHOUT taking any of them from the wild ever again?
they were all unregulated at one time , it didn't help then , why would it help now ? wood turtles are regulated in their natural range states , there are plenty of folks breeding them , they are still poached , larry triegel pled guilty to poaching $400,000 worth of them in 2011 ……. I saw a population study done in Michigan , the same spot , they captured 227 in 1995 , in I believe 2011 they caught like 25 ……….
is keeping an animal alive in captivity but extinct in the wild really much of an accomplishment ?
One day I can buy a radiator tortoise for $100. My dream.
best chance for that will be a poached tortoise ……… at one time you could buy a 20 year old N.A. wood turtle for $100-200 , I've seen them over the last 4-5yrs for $350 , if those were cbb turtles , they'd need somehow to have kept it at a cost of $10-$15 a year to break even ……… I've raised a few from hatchlings , they originally cost like $100-125 , over 12-15 yrs they've costed me thousands of dollars in upkeep , if I sold one for $2000 , i'm sure it'd be at a loss ……… a $0.70 poached/smuggled tortoise is more likely to be sold for $100 than a cbb one …….
Nobody said anything about "unregulated". We are talking about regulated, legal trade in CAPTiVE BRED animals. If demand could be met this way, there would be no need and no incentive to remove them from the wild.they were all unregulated at one time , it didn't help then , why would it help now ? wood turtles are regulated in their natural range states , there are plenty of folks breeding them , they are still poached , larry triegel pled guilty to poaching $400,000 worth of them in 2011 ……. I saw a population study done in Michigan , the same spot , they captured 227 in 1995 , in I believe 2011 they caught like 25 ……….