This is a story about different ways of raising tortoises. This is not a scientific experiment. This is not a "How-to..." thread. I raised two different groups of sulcata tortoises at the same time, and got different results. I'd like to show what I did with each group and what I've gotten so far with each method.
Method number one is my usual method. I've described it many times, but it basically consists of a closed chamber style of enclosure. All the heating and lighting equipment is enclosed within the enclosure and there are no openings or vents. ALL of the heat and humidity generated stays inside the enclosure instead of escaping up into the room through an open top. This makes it very easy to maintain ideal conditions and it uses a fraction of the electricity that an open topped enclosure uses. Here is a thread I did on this concept: http://www.tortoiseforum.org/thread-32333.html
The sulcata hatchlings from method one have had an ambient of 80 F or higher 24/7, plus a basking spot and florescent tube light for about 12 hours a day. They got daily soaks when they were small and they got one or two hours of sun in a planted outdoor enclosure every day. I sprayed their shells with water several times a day. Their diet has been mostly grass and weeds, with occasional leaves, cactus pads, flowers, and Mazuri mixed with ZooMed Grassland diet once or twice a week. Here are the results: http://www.tortoiseforum.org/thread-50806.html
Method number two was a bit of a departure for me. Many people advocate doing things more "naturally". Some of it makes sense to me. I've had many conversations with many people about all this including Dave Friend, Dean, Tomas Diagne, Yvonne and lots of other forum members too. The point is, there was a lot of influence from a lot of people behind this. Method number two involved my "Wild Bunch" seen here: http://www.tortoiseforum.org/thread-55041.html
With this group I let them live outside all day every day from the day I found them, as long as the weather was "T-shirt" weather. That is most of the year here. I found them in September of 2012 and they were outside in a 4x8' well planted enclosure all day every day until about mid November when the weather started cooling. At that point I would put them out whenever the weather was sunny and around 65 or more. There were several week long stretches during winter where they stayed inside, but most days they got at least a few hours of sunning/grazing time. Their inside enclosure is an open topped 100 gallon reptile tank. It has orchid bark for substrate, a water dish, a food dish, a basking rock, a humid hide and that's about it. The basking spot is an old MVB. It still works, but I'm sure it gives off very little UV. I'm just using it for heat. Directly under the bulb gets to about 100. The rest of the room is heated to 78-80 all the time, so that is ambient, day or night. Every night they sleep in this tank and every day they go out all day, unless it was too cold in the winter. These tortoises have been fed nothing but grass, weeds and leaves that I have either grown myself or scrounged up. They have had no store bought food, except some collard greens that I grew myself, no supplements of any kind, but cuttle bone available, and they have never seen any prepared foods whatsoever. I soak them most days, but skip a lot more days than I normally would. During the hot end of summer days when they first hatched, I soaked them every day. As they got older I skipped more and more days. I still soak them around 2 or 3 times a week. I guess you could call this a "hybrid" method of housing and caring for them. A mix of my usual wet method and the old dry methods. Here are the results:
This one is 208 grams at a little over six months old.
This one is 247.
And this one is 285.
For comparison sake, here is one of my 10 month old sulcatas from method one with a similar camera angle and background.
This cannot be any sort of direct comparison. Far too many variables were different. Food, daily temps, humidity, supplements, amount of sunshine, hatching method, genetics, etc. I just find it all interesting. I have consistently seen across the board that the more time hatchlings spend outside, the slower they grow. Many other keepers have related similar stories to me. My Sudans were 365-436 at six months where the Wild Bunch is only 208-285 grams. With the exclusion of Mazuri once or twice a week, their diets were very similar. I wish I had either skipped the Mazuri on my Sudans or included it with the Wild Bunch for comparison sake, but I didn't. Are the Sudans bigger due to genetics, food, or because they were housed in "ideal" conditions more of the time? I don't know. That is why this thread is in the debatable section.
Method number one is my usual method. I've described it many times, but it basically consists of a closed chamber style of enclosure. All the heating and lighting equipment is enclosed within the enclosure and there are no openings or vents. ALL of the heat and humidity generated stays inside the enclosure instead of escaping up into the room through an open top. This makes it very easy to maintain ideal conditions and it uses a fraction of the electricity that an open topped enclosure uses. Here is a thread I did on this concept: http://www.tortoiseforum.org/thread-32333.html
The sulcata hatchlings from method one have had an ambient of 80 F or higher 24/7, plus a basking spot and florescent tube light for about 12 hours a day. They got daily soaks when they were small and they got one or two hours of sun in a planted outdoor enclosure every day. I sprayed their shells with water several times a day. Their diet has been mostly grass and weeds, with occasional leaves, cactus pads, flowers, and Mazuri mixed with ZooMed Grassland diet once or twice a week. Here are the results: http://www.tortoiseforum.org/thread-50806.html
Method number two was a bit of a departure for me. Many people advocate doing things more "naturally". Some of it makes sense to me. I've had many conversations with many people about all this including Dave Friend, Dean, Tomas Diagne, Yvonne and lots of other forum members too. The point is, there was a lot of influence from a lot of people behind this. Method number two involved my "Wild Bunch" seen here: http://www.tortoiseforum.org/thread-55041.html
With this group I let them live outside all day every day from the day I found them, as long as the weather was "T-shirt" weather. That is most of the year here. I found them in September of 2012 and they were outside in a 4x8' well planted enclosure all day every day until about mid November when the weather started cooling. At that point I would put them out whenever the weather was sunny and around 65 or more. There were several week long stretches during winter where they stayed inside, but most days they got at least a few hours of sunning/grazing time. Their inside enclosure is an open topped 100 gallon reptile tank. It has orchid bark for substrate, a water dish, a food dish, a basking rock, a humid hide and that's about it. The basking spot is an old MVB. It still works, but I'm sure it gives off very little UV. I'm just using it for heat. Directly under the bulb gets to about 100. The rest of the room is heated to 78-80 all the time, so that is ambient, day or night. Every night they sleep in this tank and every day they go out all day, unless it was too cold in the winter. These tortoises have been fed nothing but grass, weeds and leaves that I have either grown myself or scrounged up. They have had no store bought food, except some collard greens that I grew myself, no supplements of any kind, but cuttle bone available, and they have never seen any prepared foods whatsoever. I soak them most days, but skip a lot more days than I normally would. During the hot end of summer days when they first hatched, I soaked them every day. As they got older I skipped more and more days. I still soak them around 2 or 3 times a week. I guess you could call this a "hybrid" method of housing and caring for them. A mix of my usual wet method and the old dry methods. Here are the results:
This one is 208 grams at a little over six months old.
This one is 247.
And this one is 285.
For comparison sake, here is one of my 10 month old sulcatas from method one with a similar camera angle and background.
This cannot be any sort of direct comparison. Far too many variables were different. Food, daily temps, humidity, supplements, amount of sunshine, hatching method, genetics, etc. I just find it all interesting. I have consistently seen across the board that the more time hatchlings spend outside, the slower they grow. Many other keepers have related similar stories to me. My Sudans were 365-436 at six months where the Wild Bunch is only 208-285 grams. With the exclusion of Mazuri once or twice a week, their diets were very similar. I wish I had either skipped the Mazuri on my Sudans or included it with the Wild Bunch for comparison sake, but I didn't. Are the Sudans bigger due to genetics, food, or because they were housed in "ideal" conditions more of the time? I don't know. That is why this thread is in the debatable section.