gromit
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Mix Blood tortoises
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Yep.....We sew it the other day.
I cannot say I like it. But...
Welcome to the form! ! ! !
I cannot say I like it. But...
Welcome to the form! ! ! !
It's beautiful, but should never, ever, be done. Specially with a radiated.
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Is this yours? I like it! Very beautiful tortoise .
Sad. So sad. That should never happen.
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That's why we say don't put different torts in same enclosure !
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Wow, how incredibly irresponsible!!!!
Turtlepete
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This is incredibly irresponsible and sad, why? We don't even know this was done intentionally....And sulcata's and now radiata are both rather common species in the pet trade. There is absolutely no harm from this occurring once, and I don't see any rhyme or reason to shaming it's owner....
Beautiful tortoise. I don't support hybrids, but very interesting, none-the-less....Might I inquire who it was produced by, and how?
Beautiful tortoise. I don't support hybrids, but very interesting, none-the-less....Might I inquire who it was produced by, and how?
Mixing species is a dangerous practice and often leads to the death of one or all of the participants for a variety of reasons. Someone either did this accidentally, which denotes irresponsibility on at least some level, or they did it on purpose, which is despicable in my opinion. While radiata might be more common in the trade now than ever, they are still and endangered species and if they are going to reproduce (which I think should be encouraged) they should be reproducing with their own species. For that matter, as common as they are in captivity, sulcatas are highly endangered in the wild too. Much more so than radiata in fact. Sulcatas are extinct in at least two countries of origin and likely a few more.
Because the harm is not obvious to you, does not mean it doesn't exist.
I don't think shaming the tortoise's owner is the right thing to do either. But, I don't think the OP is the tortoise's owner. I think they just posted a picture for us to share.
I must agree with Tom that is VERY SAD. I can't imagine WHY anyone would want to do that.
I think it IS shameful for everyone involved. The owner of the parents and any person who would buy one of these, thereby financially rewarding the person who did it in the first place.
Turtlepete
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I think what's more shameful is bullying and shaming anyone and everyone who's opinion may happen to differ from our own. I severely doubt that the owners/breeders of this tortoise were trying to intentionally harm them in any way. Now, you've ensured that the owner of this unique tortoise probably will have no desire to come back and share the particulars with the forum, which several (including me) were probably interested in.
I agree with Yvonne.
That tortoises sometimes die from contact with other species is not my opinion. It is a fact. Whether the breeders of this animal intended to harm them or not is irrelevant. They took a risk they shouldn't have. They risked the lives of the two parents, and for what? Novelty?
This practice should be discouraged. It is not praise worthy. If voicing my opinion on the matter seems like shaming and bullying to you, then so be it. I don't agree. I would rather people not come here showing pics like this as if its all perfectly fine and encouraging the practice. The OP posted pics on a public forum, thereby inviting public opinion. I have shared mine. You have shared yours. All is good. Perhaps you could PM the OP if you wish to see more pics of this animal and the OP doesn't want to post more.
I'm not going to sit by and watch dangerous and harmful practices promoted, showcased and encouraged without offering a dissenting opinion. Seems to me like you would do the same if you agreed with my assessment of the situation.
This practice should be discouraged. It is not praise worthy. If voicing my opinion on the matter seems like shaming and bullying to you, then so be it. I don't agree. I would rather people not come here showing pics like this as if its all perfectly fine and encouraging the practice. The OP posted pics on a public forum, thereby inviting public opinion. I have shared mine. You have shared yours. All is good. Perhaps you could PM the OP if you wish to see more pics of this animal and the OP doesn't want to post more.
I'm not going to sit by and watch dangerous and harmful practices promoted, showcased and encouraged without offering a dissenting opinion. Seems to me like you would do the same if you agreed with my assessment of the situation.
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I see different types of tortoises housed together in zoos all the time . Houston has sulcatas housed with aldabra torts . Is this right? Hell no! But they do it . They also have sulcatas housed with Indian stars . Just maybe this tortoise was produced by a zoo .
Mixing species is a common practice in many Asian countries too. It doesn't go public here on the forum, but I get a constant stream of PMs from members in Asian countries asking me for help trying to figure out why their tortoise is sick. I try to go in with and open mind and just ask all the basic husbandry questions; temps, humidity, origin, diet, lighting and heat, etc. Sometimes there is an obvious and likely cause of their issue, but sometimes not. After exhausting other avenues, I will sometimes ask if this tortoise is housed alone. In every case the answer has been no, and its usually being housed with several other species. Now I do realize that there is nothing scientific or certain about this, but it does add up to a mountain of anecdotal evidence. I will never say I am 100% certain of what is going on in all of these cases in other countries, but at least in some cases things are pretty obvious.
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I see your point Tom . But most tortoise in China are wild caught. Correct me on that if I'm wrong. Most tortoises in zoos get medical treatment and are quarantined. Now housing wild tortoises with no quarantine practices I see where some sickness arise . I'm by no means saying its ok to house species together is right or 100% safe . I keep all three species I have in their own enclosures and would never breed any of them to each other crossing species . But zoos do . My point is maybe they are cross breeding and selling or taking these cross breeds home . Instead of destroying them. But you yourself have to admit that is one pretty tortoise .
