Emily Contreras
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I swear I think everybody on the forum should SPAM this dude with care for sulcatas. I already am.
Blake’s exotic animal ranch, blue tort?
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Minority2
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Spamming him is not going to do a lot of good. He, like many new members of this forum are not going to automatically understand high humidity, large separate enclosures, and other up to date concepts without lengthy explanations and visual evidence to support it.
1. Send a brief private message to let him know what he's doing wrong.
2. Provide credible proof to back up claims.
3. Invite him to Tortoise forum so he will be able to have a proper discussion with other members about the advantages of up to date concepts over outdated practices.
This guy is not going to listen to most of us if any of us. He's been doing his thing for quite some time and seems to be selling torts left and right and have a lot of people convinced he is a great tortoise keeper.
Best is too tread lightly and try too get him too TFO where members with years and years of experience can hopefully convince this guy. Newbies and owning a few tortoise pets like myself is not going to be convinving to this guy and proof is going to have to play a big part.
Best is too tread lightly and try too get him too TFO where members with years and years of experience can hopefully convince this guy. Newbies and owning a few tortoise pets like myself is not going to be convinving to this guy and proof is going to have to play a big part.
And if we all “spam” his YouTube video, it will only show up as more views. One can clearly see that all of the substrate is way too dry, even in the viv where he has lil blue “Avatar”. We can clearly see “bullying” in the viv when he feeds them.
Strange how he kept taking credit for creating and making this odd little Sully.
Strange how he kept taking credit for creating and making this odd little Sully.
Emily Contreras
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I think he is taking credit for creating the sully. I feel like he knows it wrong, I wonder what it would look like all grown up. I don't see any scutes on the poor thing either. The legs seem wrong and it looks like a seaturtle. If he sells it, I will make it my DUTY to get it and care for it right.. Poor thing would look amazing all grown up. But I dont even think that it WILL grow up, if it is being cared for the same way... Atleast he is getting soaks.. Even though the soaks are very minimal.
Emily Contreras
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But he is "Famous" so that wont really work..
Emily Contreras
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oh... my.... god! I JUST REALIZED HE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A WATER DISH IN THEIR ENCLOSURES! I AM SO AGGRIVATED RIGHT NOW!
I understand that his methods and husbandry upsets you as I'm sure it does everyone else. However, getting angry at someone for doing what they have known to do for many many years is a pointless endeavour. I mean that's like me getting upset at every breeder and zoo around. And I completely agree that spamming him and so one will only push him away from any new approach. You can't just go up to a teacher who has been teaching for ten years and get all pissy with them because they aren't teaching the new way or the way that you know is better. Maybe they don't know another way. You have to give people a chance. And getting angry at someone for doing things different is just silly and a waste of time. If you want a child to learn a certain behavior you have to teach it and you also have to show the benefit of the behavior you wnt them to learn. Just stating this from a behavioral stand point.
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You know, way back when Brad Morris showed images of two headed sulcata etc, in ethanol many folks showed interest that they should have been kept alive. I think this tortoise should be eased into euthanasia and let that be it.
[emoji50] that’s like saying kids born with deformations should be killed at birth. That is horrible
Minority2
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That is one person's opinion. Their experience and beliefs may differ to yours but it doesn't mean that what they say and the reasons behind their statement is any less important than anyone else's. Learning more about the person, their background, and their reasons before denouncing their opinions is also something I recommend doing.
Murder is murder
Sorry. I’m a hardcore carnivore. If I’m eating a steak, I’m eating a steak and no one murdered the cow. All of that said, I feel two ways about this. “Try” to raise it properly or preserve it for future studies.
I’m more a pig [emoji241] eater, have pig will eat!
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I have see that from YouTube. I feel bad . I don’t know why but I feel bad.
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and sometimes justified.
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Some indeed are, I don't advocate that for people myself, but it is a practice in other cultures. And where I don't see humans as elevated above other life, I also see that some animal's lives can have a human end. I can hold disparate values and thoughts in my head at the same time - just in case you are wondering...
Emily Contreras
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to all of the people saying to euthenize it:
I think that they should if it is SUFFERING. Killing it because it looks different is really bad. I dont think it is suffering. but I feel like it will end up suffering because its shell doesn't look like its growing. like I said, it doesn't even look like the shell has scutes. that will mean that the shell might not even grow, I dont think the IS growing. so who knows if it is in pain. but if it isn't it shouldn't be euthinized.
I think that they should if it is SUFFERING. Killing it because it looks different is really bad. I dont think it is suffering. but I feel like it will end up suffering because its shell doesn't look like its growing. like I said, it doesn't even look like the shell has scutes. that will mean that the shell might not even grow, I dont think the IS growing. so who knows if it is in pain. but if it isn't it shouldn't be euthinized.
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I see where you are coming from and I get the idea of relief from pain or suffering. These are the arguments used for people with the idea - we have a right for choosing our own end of life in the case that no medical intervention will make us better.
For personal pets I have had to make this choice as well, and it is very fraught with emotions. I had one cat poisoned with chocolate and his kidney failure was terminal, keeping him alive was more about me not wanting to accept the path the vet recommended (euthanasia), than a relief from his own suffering for his own sake. He had become a mess. My current cat has had the price of new small car invested in his health as each time to potential outcome was good, and so far that has indeed been the case.
About this blue tortoise. I see too many mutations used to hype the idea of rare and exotic at the expense of the animal's well being, like all the short pallet dogs that can asphyxiate at high altitude or on a plane. There are now 'designer' ball pythons and maybe other snakes that all have some disorder (I don't recall) and what I see if this tortoise being used for that, and being bred into ever greater numbers (if it survives).
I'm somewhere between a 'farmer' mentality, a conservationist, and species purist. Under all these hats that blue tortoise is an abomination. It ends up being a curiosity or amusement, like a person making a living being a circus freak, bearded woman, etc. Like I said, I can hold disperate POV at one time.
So now we are wayyyyyyy off topic, I suppose. Glad that so far our mods have not shut this thread down.
Evolution happens via mutations ... mistakes are a part of nature, and as long as this wee-beast isn't suffering, I think:
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- it's got a right to live
- there's something to be learned from studying and recording its life
- it might grow to contribute to a new line/sub-species/species of tortoise
- until very recently, everyone thought differently about raising tortoises, many still do, many of whom have been raising torts for decades
- I'm stubborn enough to dig in and act the opposite when faced with an angry mob bugging me while I'm sharing something cool
- internet mobs tend to be as smart as their least intelligent member
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