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National Breeders Expo---Daytona

Discussion in 'General Tortoise Discussion' started by cdmay, Aug 12, 2017.

  1. cdmay

    cdmay Well-Known Member 5 Year Member

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    The Daytona Beach annual reptile mayhem begins next week.
    As usual we will be there for the Friday Night Turtle Talks. Hope to see the usual suspects too..
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    CharlieM Well-Known Member 5 Year Member

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    Wish I could go but I'll be working this weekend.
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    I'm planning on going
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    CharlieM Well-Known Member 5 Year Member

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    Any updates or photos?
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    cdmay Well-Known Member 5 Year Member

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    Not many photos.
    But tons of cool turtles!
    Geoclemmys hamiltoni are as common as can be....
    And Mauremys nigricans are down to as low as $100 although most are $150 to $250.
    More when we get home....
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    I was there today. Took a few photos, show was loaded with snakes.

    They were asking 40k for the albino here.
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    Some of the younger albinos.
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    Another larger salcutta.
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    Salcuttas galore at the show!
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    And leopards too.
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    Galapagos hatchlings.
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    And older galapagos.
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    There was a decent amount of stars as well. Indian mostly, a few burmese.
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    I was tempted to get this little guy, but the girlfriend talked me out if it.
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    The only aldabras we saw.
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  7. cdmay

    cdmay Well-Known Member 5 Year Member

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    Nice post Scubaroo, you saved me a ton of typing.
    Here's the thing about the albino sulcata...
    loads of breeders are producing them.
    So how do you advertise crazy high prices while simultaneously showing several years worth of your UNSOLD albino offspring?
    If they are so "in demand, rare, and valuable" then why on earth do you have so many?
    Here's my opinion....its all hype and a word I can't use on the forum.
    Frankly, they are producing goofed up animals that very few knowleable keepers would ever want.
    Do not get fooled.
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    CharlieM Well-Known Member 5 Year Member

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    I over paid...
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    Yes, I should have taken a picture of all the albinos, several dozens. None looked too healthy to me either.
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    CharlieM Well-Known Member 5 Year Member

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    Albinos aren't for everyone. I'm sure there were albino iguanas, softshells, RES, geckos.... I think Carl is correct, by the time people buy some and wait til they can breed the price will be very low as the market may be flooded.
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    Absolutely perfectly spoken!
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    wow thanks, got my heart pounding:) how much do indian stars go for at the show, babies?
    loved your post:)
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    i am generally somewhat against albinos, they are sensitive to the light, they do not enjoy life as much as others do, they need ultimate darkness all the time, not to mention how the gene is most likely awaken... by keeping the animals in the dark all their lives until one of the babies finally mutates... it is sad...
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    The hatchling in my hand in the photo was going for 400$

    The larger ones were between 800-1600$

    One vendor was selling 1.1. Pairs for 1500$.

    The burmese were a little more
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    thanks, I see, so the prices are the same as anywhere:) why did your girl talk you out of it? they are so cute:) and the most beautiful:) i will get a pair one day:)
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    Because she didn't want another animal at the house right now. It was hard, but will save me alot of hassle with her being happy. Haha
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    lol, i totally get it, :) and they are so hard to resist:)
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    Nope.

    1)They are not especially sensitive to light. Common misconception.

    2) They don't enjoy life as much? How so?

    3)Again, they aren't especially sensitive to light. They can be kept identically to their non-albino relatives.

    4)This is also incorrect. I have never heard this one before. Albinism occurs in the wild. It is a mutation that occurs rarely, but it does happen. That's why animals that are bred in huge numbers (RES, Chinese Softshells) are the most commonly seen albinos.

    I do think that a lot of inbreeding probably goes on in producing new morphs, but not positive. And personally, I'm not necessarily for producing albinos. I'd wish our breeding efforts were placed on species in need. I do have a pair of Albino Sinensis though. Mostly because "normals" are rarely offered outside of food markets and they are nearly as unvalued as RES.
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    1) you gotta be kidding, i knew this fact when i was little which was about 30 years ago, albinos are sensitive to the light! especially their eyes!
    2) because when you place someone who is sensitive to the light into the light - it is not quiet the same no is it!
    3) please just search this fact up, it is just silly
    4)yes, albinos do happen in nature, so rarely that no one would really find them enough to breed, the ones you see for sale are not the relatives of those wild ones, and if they are - they should not be taken out of the wild in the first place.
    I have two albino animals, I researched this subject, they hate the light. it hurts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albinism

    "Albinism is associated with a number of vision defects, such as photophobia, nystagmus, and amblyopia. Lack of skin pigmentation makes for more susceptibility to sunburn and skin cancers. "
    I am so tired of providing the links people just google things before you spill your passionate opinions out! and do not give me this thing: it is just humans - albinos eyes are all the same.
    "Ocular albinism is a genetic condition that primarily affects the eyes. This condition reduces the coloring (pigmentation) of the iris, which is the colored part of the eye, and the retina, which is the light-sensitive tissue at the back of the eye. Pigmentation in the eye is essential for normal vision."
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    I suppose it is possible that certain turtles could be sensitive. I've never heard of anybody having problems with albino turtles though. Perhaps other morphs?

    You provided a Wikipedia link on Albinism. That isn't evidence. I've never seen any research to suggest that albino turtles are sensitive to light or that it harms them. I've also never heard this from any keepers. I didn't say the animals we see come from wild turtles, though they sometimes do. You said that albinism occurs when you keep turtles in the dark and I responded by saying that albinism does occur, albeit rarely, in the wild and this is why you see it more frequently in turtles that are mass produced like RES and Sinensis. Have you seen light sensitivity with your albino turtles?

    I shouldn't pretend to be an expert on turtle albinism as I only have a pair. Perhaps @Anthony P is more knowledgeable as he is partnered with a breeder of albino turtles. Maybe he can school both of us.
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