Leopard Tortoise!

[TylerStewart]

You two just keep trying to needle me, don't you?

Its real simple. When you go up to a pen or yard of adult babcocks they don't come running over to see what you are up to, GENERALLY. When you go up to a pen of pp they do. My experience with dozens of babcocks is more like Yvonne's. My experience with dozens of pp is more like what happens when you walk up to a typical sulcata pen.

It great that you guys all feel that YOUR babcock has some personality. Wonderful. I'm happy for you. Really. But in general, from what I've seen, they tend to be less personable than the pp. Not always. Not every time. Not every day no matter what. Just GENERALLY.

I'm not "needling you," just straightening out your apparent (and frequent) bashing on the personalities of babcocki. I can't help but think it has something to do with your recent fascination of them, combined with many you've recently sold, and many in your future breeding plans. There just isn't a noticeable difference. You may have seen what you've seen, but that's gotta be an exception on the specific ones you saw, whether is was extra friendly pardalis or extra shy babcocki. Many people here have personable babcocki, myself included. Mine don't flinch when I'm in their pens, and they'll eat while I'm dumping out the food 12 inches away. I just don't see where you're getting it.

While I'm here, the word "babcock" sounds like the title of a porno. It's "babcocki."

 

[Robert]

Guys I am going to order a tortoise from Tortoise Sulpply I was thinking about getting one from there Grade B collection.. I wouldent mind having a tortoise that is a little bit diffrent

As for tortoise supply.com, my sister has two babcocki hatchlings that she purchased from Tyler. She is very, very happy with them. She has been following Toms sulcata care sheet and so far they are doing great! Nice, smooth, outgoing, hearty, and growing well. I would say go for it!

On the side of Grade B, some others on the forum will have to help you there. I don't know much about split scutes. If it is only cosmetic, then no big deal. If it is indicative of a health problem, then I would avoid it. I leave that one to others.

Good luck.

 

[Tom]

Tyler, I was talking about my friends Onarock and Squamata, but I can lump you in there too Mr. Man.

Okay, what we've established is that a whole bunch of us have had different experiences with the two commonly available types of leopards. I will keep an open mind and look harder for some shy pp and some super outgoing pb. Maybe my current pb will turn out super friendly and turn me around. Maybe some of my pp will be extra reclusive and make me change my opinion of them.

... and saying "babcocki", just sounds awkward. I much prefer the nick name "babcock". So you can just get your mind out of the gutter, sir. Don't make me call your wife and have her reprimand you!!!

 

[onarock]

you two just keep trying to needle me, don't you? lol, bye the looks of this thread your more like a pin cushion, everyone's got a needle in ya.

So, I just went out to my babcocki pen and of the 3 that were out and not in the bushes, 2 came right over to me. The one that didnt come over was far away and maybe didnt see me or didnt care.

Tom, being that g.p.p. adults are harder to come by, exactly how many adult groups have you come across. I know that g.p.b. are more common and coming across adult groups is more likely, but you make it sould as if gpp are really, really common in your world. When I contacted you asking if you knew anyone that would part with an adult male to pair with my large female you basically said you only know one person. Just wondering...

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Thanks Tom, I dont think Ive needled you anymore than Tyler, but whatever.

Tyler, I was talking about my friends Onarock and Squamata, but I can lump you in there too Mr. Man.

Okay, what we've established is that a whole bunch of us have had different experiences with the two commonly available types of leopards. I will keep an open mind and look harder for some shy pp and some super outgoing pb. Maybe my current pb will turn out super friendly and turn me around. Maybe some of my pp will be extra reclusive and make me change my opinion of them.

... and saying "babcocki", just sounds awkward. I much prefer the nick name "babcock". So you can just get your mind out of the gutter, sir. Don't make me call your wife and have her reprimand you!!!

 

[John]

needling? my comment was not directed at anyone by name,it was just my two cents,but while were on the subject i find it a little scary that people here think they actually know what a tortoise is thinking.also all five of my torts are a little direrrent from each other behaviour wise,as are my pythons i don't think there is a set standard of behavior for these animals or any wild animal.nobody knows for sure how an animal will behave no matter how many they have observed.maybe we will eventually have a reptile psycologist join the forum and they will be able too handle this one for you all.

 

[Robert]

A reptile whisperer....

 

[John]

A reptile whisperer....

lol

 

[onarock]

you two just keep trying to needle me, don't you? lol, bye the looks of this thread your more like a pin cushion, everyone's got a needle in ya.

So, I just went out to my babcocki pen and of the 3 that were out and not in the bushes, 2 came right over to me. The one that didnt come over was far away and maybe didnt see me or didnt care.

Tom, being that g.p.p. adults are harder to come by, exactly how many adult groups have you come across. I know that g.p.b. are more common and coming across adult groups is more likely, but you make it sould as if gpp are really, really common in your world. When I contacted you asking if you knew anyone that would part with an adult male to pair with my large female you basically said you only know one person. Just wondering...

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Thanks Tom, I dont think Ive needled you anymore than Tyler, but whatever. Hey, can anyone point me the way to the cool kids table.

Tyler, I was talking about my friends Onarock and Squamata, but I can lump you in there too Mr. Man.

Okay, what we've established is that a whole bunch of us have had different experiences with the two commonly available types of leopards. I will keep an open mind and look harder for some shy pp and some super outgoing pb. Maybe my current pb will turn out super friendly and turn me around. Maybe some of my pp will be extra reclusive and make me change my opinion of them.

... and saying "babcocki", just sounds awkward. I much prefer the nick name "babcock". So you can just get your mind out of the gutter, sir. Don't make me call your wife and have her reprimand you!!!

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[John]

you two just keep trying to needle me, don't you? lol, bye the looks of this thread your more like a pin cushion, everyone's got a needle in ya.

So, I just went out to my babcocki pen and of the 3 that were out and not in the bushes, 2 came right over to me. The one that didnt come over was far away and maybe didnt see me or didnt care.

Tom, being that g.p.p. adults are harder to come by, exactly how many adult groups have you come across. I know that g.p.b. are more common and coming across adult groups is more likely, but you make it sould as if gpp are really, really common in your world. When I contacted you asking if you knew anyone that would part with an adult male to pair with my large female you basically said you only know one person. Just wondering...

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Thanks Tom, I dont think Ive needled you anymore than Tyler, but whatever. Hey, can anyone point me the way to the cool kids table.

Tyler, I was talking about my friends Onarock and Squamata, but I can lump you in there too Mr. Man.

Okay, what we've established is that a whole bunch of us have had different experiences with the two commonly available types of leopards. I will keep an open mind and look harder for some shy pp and some super outgoing pb. Maybe my current pb will turn out super friendly and turn me around. Maybe some of my pp will be extra reclusive and make me change my opinion of them.

... and saying "babcocki", just sounds awkward. I much prefer the nick name "babcock". So you can just get your mind out of the gutter, sir. Don't make me call your wife and have her reprimand you!!!

there is only one table here in jersey onarock and it is cool

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[TylerStewart]

Don't make me call your wife and have her reprimand you!!!

She.... changed... her number....

That's ok Babcock (my new name for you), last time, in the rant about Tyler thread, she was also needed then to "bring me back down a notch." Here we are almost a year later, and I'm still trying to figure that thread out.

 

[John]

WOW! the tyler rant thread was scary. "when tortoise keepers attack" lol

 

[coreyc]

Just read it to WOW squamata that could be a new tv show when tortoise keepers attack I'll call animal planet

 

[John]

Just read it to WOW squamata that could be a new tv show when tortoise keepers attack I'll call animal planet

yeah the first episode could be. ajersey man is beaten too death by a group of torty mommie types for posting a picture of a snake eating a mouse

 

[Neal]

My question Tom, is you keep saying "babcockers" are generally not as personable as other tortoises. What is that generality based on? YOU'RE experience. MY experience is the complete opposite, but I don't label it a generality, because my experience is limited. Your experience is limited...you may have seen thousands in your life time, but that's still a small percentage, That's why personality generalizations are flawed. Like Tyler said, maybe you've only seen particularly shy babcocks and particularly outgoing pardalis, to go out and say that the standard is they behave a certain way is based on personal bias and opinion not an actual "standard".

 

[John]

lol "babcockers" easy there neal there are children about

 

[Kennedy98]

How humid shoudl a leopard tortoise be?

 

[Yvonne G]

How humid shoudl a leopard tortoise be?

Aw-w, the voice of reason intervenes! Thank you, Sean!!

 

[onarock]

?? Dont get it.... Reason??... Someone here unreasonable? Bet I could guess who it isnt.

How humid shoudl a leopard tortoise be?

Aw-w, the voice of reason intervenes! Thank you, Sean!!

 

[Tom]

How humid shoudl a leopard tortoise be?

Old school says totally dry. New school says very humid and always warm. I keep mine around 80% with a humid hide box that is nearly always at 100%. I also never let the temp dip below 80ish.

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My question Tom, is you keep saying "babcockers" are generally not as personable as other tortoises. What is that generality based on? YOU'RE experience. MY experience is the complete opposite, but I don't label it a generality, because my experience is limited. Your experience is limited...you may have seen thousands in your life time, but that's still a small percentage, That's why personality generalizations are flawed. Like Tyler said, maybe you've only seen particularly shy babcocks and particularly outgoing pardalis, to go out and say that the standard is they behave a certain way is based on personal bias and opinion not an actual "standard".

First of all, I have never used the word "babcockers". That's all you, big man.

Second: Of course generalizations are based on personal observation and bias! White men can't dance. Well, they can't. I sure can't. But John Travolta sure can. (Can't wait for the jokes to start with that analogy)

You think that I've seen "thousands" of pb over the last 20 years and that's not enough to make a simple generalization? What?!! How many does one need to personally witness before a reasonable generalization can be made? I'd say ten or twelve is enough to get a pretty good feel for a species personality. You think thousands is not enough? Okay. If that where the numbers are for you, then that's where the numbers are for you. I won't argue it. If somebody came to me and said they've seen thousands of sulcatas, of all sizes and ages, over two decades, I'd trust them to make a generalization about the personality of sulcatas. They might be wrong about MY particular group of sulcatas, but that doesn't mean that they'd be wrong about sulcatas in general.

Sheesh, I'm taking a beating today... you guys are a tough crowd.

I sure hope this is helping Kennedy98 with his original question. Kennedy, would you like us to take it outside? (Outside your thread, I mean.)

 

[John]

How humid shoudl a leopard tortoise be?

if old school is totally dry and "new school is totally wet" a thinking man may find somewhere in the middle too be sufficient.the whole thing reminds me of the countless people who play with a thermostat.if a thermostat is set at 68 and the space remains at 72 even with the unit running continuously,what will turning the stat too 60 accomplish?anyway in my opinion just because the wet extreme works it may not be necesary.some of the people on the forum may not realize you are 14 kennedy98,and due too things beyond your control may not have the recources too provide a swamp like climate without risking the well being of the animal.so do yourself a favor and read as many opinions as you can and try too decide what you can handle too best provide a safe and healthy enviroment for your tort.this is what i do because it works for me,my temps range from 80 too 96,constant 60% humidity which i provide with humidifiers,i do not mist,i feed twice a day morning is mixed lettuces with mazuri,tortoise graze and calcium.evening is collards,squash and tortoise graze,i grow the tort graze in paint trays and trim it with scissors then chop it and mix it in,for lighting i use two 10.0 flouresent tubes combined with a 160 watt mega ray mvb bulb i soak evryday 15 min,again this it what works for me i am not a preacher.again do the research and decide for yourself what is good for you and your tort,and keep in mind there is a lot of cost involved. take care john

p.s there is a word you will see here,it is not my word but it is the smartest thing i've seen"balance".