Carl you are certainly entitled to your opinion and I don't have a problem with that. You had been my mentor for years and have taught me alot about incubating and the different ssp? of redfoots from different regions. This email from July '05 is an example:
Joe Terry's animals are long termers from the 1985 Pet Farm shipment. But they are not Paraguayan as cherryheads are simply NOT found there. Or if they are, it is only in a tiny portion of the country. But the German researchers that I know who LIVE IN PARAGUAY, and who have studied the redfoots for years, assure me that they are NOT found there at all.
All of the confusion regarding so called "Paraguayan" cherryheads is from the fact that Brazilian animals were shipped from Paraguay back then----although they certainly were not collected from there.
Brazil was closed to exportation so the simple way around that was to truck hundreds of (actually, the one shipment consisted of nearly 5000 animals) tortoises into Paraguay and then send them to the USA from there. I know this for a fact as I have two friends who managed the reptile department at Pet Farm at the time. They were the ones who told me of this.
But since they were called 'Paraguayan' redfoots by Pet Farm back then (remember, Brazil was closed so Pet Farm calling them Brazilian Redfoots was tantamount to admitting they were illegally obtained) the name has stuck. But all of these animals being called true Paraguayan cherryheads is nonsense.
Joe's cherryheads was an established breeding group that he bought some years ago. He asked me how to incubate the eggs about 6 or 7 years ago and said he couldn't hatch a single one. Now he produces a bunch of very pretty ones.
But they are not from Paraguay.
Carl
You are welcome to call Carl since there seems to be differences between us now that haven't existed in the past. I didn't intend this to get "off-topic" like it has. And I certainly didn't mean any misunderstanding about the Cherryhead marketing ploy as explained to me by a few that were there when the first ones came in. If this is viewed as back trackling then so be it. Unfortunately interpreting(sp?) the written word is not always made clear with words.
Terry K
Joe Terry's animals are long termers from the 1985 Pet Farm shipment. But they are not Paraguayan as cherryheads are simply NOT found there. Or if they are, it is only in a tiny portion of the country. But the German researchers that I know who LIVE IN PARAGUAY, and who have studied the redfoots for years, assure me that they are NOT found there at all.
All of the confusion regarding so called "Paraguayan" cherryheads is from the fact that Brazilian animals were shipped from Paraguay back then----although they certainly were not collected from there.
Brazil was closed to exportation so the simple way around that was to truck hundreds of (actually, the one shipment consisted of nearly 5000 animals) tortoises into Paraguay and then send them to the USA from there. I know this for a fact as I have two friends who managed the reptile department at Pet Farm at the time. They were the ones who told me of this.
But since they were called 'Paraguayan' redfoots by Pet Farm back then (remember, Brazil was closed so Pet Farm calling them Brazilian Redfoots was tantamount to admitting they were illegally obtained) the name has stuck. But all of these animals being called true Paraguayan cherryheads is nonsense.
Joe's cherryheads was an established breeding group that he bought some years ago. He asked me how to incubate the eggs about 6 or 7 years ago and said he couldn't hatch a single one. Now he produces a bunch of very pretty ones.
But they are not from Paraguay.
Carl
You are welcome to call Carl since there seems to be differences between us now that haven't existed in the past. I didn't intend this to get "off-topic" like it has. And I certainly didn't mean any misunderstanding about the Cherryhead marketing ploy as explained to me by a few that were there when the first ones came in. If this is viewed as back trackling then so be it. Unfortunately interpreting(sp?) the written word is not always made clear with words.
Terry K