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Well ive never seen a redfoot like this before. Thought I'd show it to you all, has anyone seen anything like this before?

Story is, its a WC cherryhead. Its been in captivity for the last 15yrs.

Any thoughts please.

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I don't think it is a hypo, the legs and head coloration does not appear to be light in nature. I have seen some really old ones that have an almost white shell. Looks like a really cool marbled male that may be getting on in years.
 

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Those WC animals, no matter the species, always look washed out. I've seen some pictures of wild leopards and you could hardly see any pattern at all on them. I'll bet if you compared this tortoise with other wild CH RF tortoises near the same size/age, they'd look very similar.
 

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I've managed to get some more info and photos of this redfoot. I'm not sure it's old age that's caused the coloration.
This tort was imported as WC in the
yr 1999 and it was 4.5" SCL at the time. It is now just over 10" SCL.
It was an old lady who's had it all this time and has just past it on because of Ill health.
If it was female I'd try and get it but I can't take on another male.
So it's 17yrs, plus how ever long it takes to get to 4.5"SCL in the wild. I'd guess 5yrs. So its probably around 22yrs old. Playing safe a maximum of 25yrs old. Is that really old enough to warrant excessive fading on the carapace?
Could there be any yellowfoot in there?

Btw, notice how smooth the carapace is even though it's been in captivity for 17yrs in the UK.

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I've managed to get some more info and photos of this redfoot. I'm not sure it's old age that's caused the coloration.
This tort was imported as WC in the
yr 1999 and it was 4.5" SCL at the time. It is now just over 10" SCL.
It was an old lady who's had it all this time and has just past it on because of Ill health.
If it was female I'd try and get it but I can't take on another male.
So it's 17yrs, plus how ever long it takes to get to 4.5"SCL in the wild. I'd guess 5yrs. So its probably around 22yrs old. Playing safe a maximum of 25yrs old. Is that really old enough to warrant excessive fading on the carapace?
Could there be any yellowfoot in there?

Btw, notice how smooth the carapace is even though it's been in captivity for 17yrs in the UK.

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Lovely pics and a beautiful tort.
 

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What she has there is a tortoise who's shell has been worn down to the point where the underlying coloration of the carapace is showing through. Many older red and yellow-foot tortoise display this condition as they age--or as their shell gets worn down from plowing through vegetation, or dirt and rocks.
In most red-foot tortoise populations the actual underlying coloration of the carapace is yellow, with an outer layer of black pigment covering the yellow. The well known yellow central yellow spots (or squares, or areola) of a red-foot's carapace are more or less 'windows' that allow the yellow color to show through. As the shell ages and the black layers wear down, more of this yellow is exposed.
The tortoise in the photos above may not be that old per se, but may be living in a garden that has a lot of rough areas that the tortoise has been traversing over the years resulting in that look. It also appears to be a rather marbled individual that adds to the pale look.
The plastron falls within the normal parameters of what we call a 'cherry-head'. It's a little less pigmented than the usual example---but not much.

This is an old photo that shows Richard Cary Paull holding an adult male cherry-head that was imported from Brazil in the early 80's. He was maintained in a large outdoor enclosure that was lined with limestone rock and had numerous burrows dug into the rocky ground. The burrows were made by iguanas and some sulcata tortoises that shared the enclosure. You can see that his front toenails have been worn down and his shell is fairly abraded too. When wet, his shell appeared to be an overall dark tan color.
As a side note, this little male was an absolute pistol and would 'run' around his huge enclosure searching for girl cherry-heads, food or other male cherry-heads to fist-fight with. He would also approach his keeper to see what was up. A great little animal.

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What she has there is a tortoise who's shell has been worn down to the point where the underlying coloration of the carapace is showing through. Many older red and yellow-foot tortoise display this condition as they age--or as their shell gets worn down from plowing through vegetation, or dirt and rocks.
In most red-foot tortoise populations the actual underlying coloration of the carapace is yellow, with an outer layer of black pigment covering the yellow. The well known yellow central yellow spots (or squares, or areola) of a red-foot's carapace are more or less 'windows' that allow the yellow color to show through. As the shell ages and the black layers wear down, more of this yellow is exposed.
The tortoise in the photos above may not be that old per se, but may be living in a garden that has a lot of rough areas that the tortoise has been traversing over the years resulting in that look. It also appears to be a rather marbled individual that adds to the pale look.
The plastron falls within the normal parameters of what we call a 'cherry-head'. It's a little less pigmented than the usual example---but not much.

This is an old photo that shows Richard Cary Paull holding an adult male cherry-head that was imported from Brazil in the early 80's. He was maintained in a large outdoor enclosure that was lined with limestone rock and had numerous burrows dug into the rocky ground. The burrows were made by iguanas and some sulcata tortoises that shared the enclosure. You can see that his front toenails have been worn down and his shell is fairly abraded too. When wet, his shell appeared to be an overall dark tan color.
As a side note, this little male was an absolute pistol and would 'run' around his huge enclosure searching for girl cherry-heads, food or other male cherry-heads to fist-fight with. He would also approach his keeper to see what was up. A great little animal.

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Thank you everyone.
Carl, thanks for the detailed explanation, I learnt a lot from that.
That would also explain why the carapace is super smooth(no growth rings) even after being brought into captivity, abrasion.

I'll try and see how the old lady owner kept this tort.
 

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Craig, you asked for thoughts, but as mine are mainly about marbles and goldfish at the moment; I'll tell you what I see, instead.
Another interesting thread and some super old tortoises.
I'm learning.
Thanks.
 
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Not that it matters but thought I'd follow the story through.

This tort was kept in a green house year round with permanent access to the garden which was dense in foliage and shrubbery, that tallies up with what we are seeing. It was kept with a leopard. Doh.
 

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Not to stir the pot....but the theory of a well rounded tort with perfect "worn" areas and coloring thru out - I find hard very unusual for sure..
 

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Not to stir the pot....but the theory of a well rounded tort with perfect "worn" areas and coloring thru out - I find hard very unusual for sure..
So your saying wear and tare would not be this uniform.
 

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Not to stir the pot....but the theory of a well rounded tort with perfect "worn" areas and coloring thru out - I find hard very unusual for sure..
I think Carl's explanation makes sense. I have two girls that have similar plastrons and are more marbled. The black on their shell does seem "thinner" and the growth not a rigid. If my enclosure was more planted, I could see them looking like this. Their areolas are also not as well defined as the standard cherry.
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I think Carl's explanation makes sense. I have two girls that have similar plastrons and are more marbled. The black on their shell does seem "thinner" and the growth not a rigid. If my enclosure was more planted, I could see them looking like this. Their areolas are also not as well defined as the standard cherry.
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Some fine looking torts there Alegra. That 1st ones plastron looks very similar to the one in question in this thread.
The plot thickens, or maybe the carapace thinnens. Lol.
 
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