Tortoise opening mouth

[Yvonne G]

I'm so very sorry that Lilly didn't make it.

Just for our own satisfaction, please call that first vet and ask if they administered a vitamin a,d,e shot to the tortoise. Just injecting antibiotics does not cause the skin to peel, but an overdose of vitamin A does. It is helpful to all of us to know if that is what was causing the skin to peel. I appreciate your pain, but we really need to know.

 

[oknursedana]

Sorry for your loss!!!

 

[sparkling]

Thank you all so much for your support.

Kathy Coles, I am rethinking this over and over where I made a mistake. I am pretty sure I had the temperatures, housing and diet right, because I did a lot of constant research on the net. However, on warm summer days I would let her roam around the room and it could be that she caught a cold from wind gusts coming from open windows/doors or a cold from cold floor.. I don't know.

As for the kidney problem that probably caused her death, I am no expert here, but I can't overlook her drastic change after the first shot of Baytril. It all went down the hill just too fast after this.. or maybe that's what happens with RI.

SenjiSandy, I am wishing Larry to get through this horrible time and get well soon. Please keep us updated!

Yvonne G , I had your warning in mind every time I went to see the vet and she assured me that no vitamin supplements will be injected. She never did, I was there during the check ups.

I also have a question for mikeh or anyone who would know. I read that antibiotics should not be injected to rear legs. I asked about this all the vets I've been in contact through this time, and all said it's fine to do so. I am very confused.

 

[mikeh]

Re: RE: Tortoise opening mouth

Thank you all so much for your support.

Kathy Coles, I am rethinking this over and over where I made a mistake. I am pretty sure I had the temperatures, housing and diet right, because I did a lot of constant research on the net. However, on warm summer days I would let her roam around the room and it could be that she caught a cold from wind gusts coming from open windows/doors or a cold from cold floor.. I don't know.

As for the kidney problem that probably caused her death, I am no expert here, but I can't overlook her drastic change after the first shot of Baytril. It all went down the hill just too fast after this.. or maybe that's what happens with RI.

SenjiSandy, I am wishing Larry to get through this horrible time and get well soon. Please keep us updated!

Yvonne G , I had your warning in mind every time I went to see the vet and she assured me that no vitamin supplements will be injected. She never did, I was there during the check ups.

I also have a question for mikeh or anyone who would know. I read that antibiotics should not be injected to rear legs. I asked about this all the vets I've been in contact through this time, and all said it's fine to do so. I am very confused.

There is your answer. Antibiotics should never be administered nowhere near rear legs. Administering in rear legs greatly increases risk of antibiotics not being metabolised, instead going directly to liver and kidneys, causing organ failure and death. I am sorry to say but to me it looks like the vet killed your tortoise.

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If the injections were administered in rear leg area.

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[sparkling]

I just don't know what to say. It really breaks my heart that I didn't learn something like this before taking the tortoise to the vet. I should have, there's no excuse. I'm searching for some articles about this and going to call all the vets tomorrow to talk.

 

[mikeh]

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Here is the link of one source

http://www.anapsid.org/resources/rxdose.html

If you read in comments next to baytril it specifically says inject in front legs only.

Show that to you vet please!

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[sparkling]

I am going visit the vet tomorrow instead of calling her.
Thank you, mikeh.

 

[mikeh]

I don't know, I was asking you.

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Anyone reading this, please take a note and never allow baytril being administered into rear legs of a turtle/tortoise. When prescribed for RI, baytril injections should ideally be spaced to semi daily administration to aid in metabolizing the antibiotic between injections and reduce toxicity build up. 10 injections over 20 day period. It should be administered in a cavity between front leg and neck, closer to the leg, and JUST UNDER THE SKIN. As baytril is a painful injection sides should be alternated between left and right. This comes from a vet I use who is very knowledgeable and experienced with turtles/tortoises.

I am sorry this torts had to pay with its life due to vets lack knowledge.

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[sibi]

Correction: "UNDER THE SKIN" is not the proper way to inject Baytril. I wouldn't argue with a vet for injecting IM (intramuscular). My torts were injected for 10 days IM with no ill effects. In fact, they recovered from their RI, and are doing quite well. That report even mentions the two ways to administer Baytril to tortoises: IM or orally. I've got my experts also, and my vet is very knowledgeable even though I'm constantly checking his what he's doing to my torts.

I don't know, I was asking you.

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Anyone reading this, please take a note and never allow baytril being administered into rear legs of a turtle/tortoise. When prescribed for RI, baytril injections should ideally be spaced to semi daily administration to aid in metabolizing the antibiotic between injections and reduce toxicity build up. 10 injections over 20 day period. It should be administered in a cavity between front leg and neck, closer to the leg, and JUST UNDER THE SKIN. As baytril is a painful injection sides should be alternated between left and right. This comes from a vet I use who is very knowledgeable and experienced with turtles/tortoises.

I am sorry this torts had to pay with its life due to vets lack knowledge.

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[mikeh]

Re: RE: Tortoise opening mouth

Correction: "UNDER THE SKIN" is not the proper way to inject Baytril. I wouldn't argue with a vet for injecting IM (intramuscular). My torts were injected for 10 days IM with no ill effects. In fact, they recovered from their RI, and are doing quite well. That report even mentions the two ways to administer Baytril to tortoises: IM or orally. I've got my experts also, and my vet is very knowledgeable even though I'm constantly checking his what he's doing to my torts.

I don't know, I was asking you.

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Anyone reading this, please take a note and never allow baytril being administered into rear legs of a turtle/tortoise. When prescribed for RI, baytril injections should ideally be spaced to semi daily administration to aid in metabolizing the antibiotic between injections and reduce toxicity build up. 10 injections over 20 day period. It should be administered in a cavity between front leg and neck, closer to the leg, and JUST UNDER THE SKIN. As baytril is a painful injection sides should be alternated between left and right. This comes from a vet I use who is very knowledgeable and experienced with turtles/tortoises.

I am sorry this torts had to pay with its life due to vets lack knowledge.

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I am sorry, but you really should stop giving people advice. In last couple days , you told person their tortoise has RI while its clearly overheating, to try pushing large prolapse back in, to have X rays done for bladder stones while the tort has clear RI, etc.

As baytril is a painful injection as it is, injecting just under the skin in the cavity between front leg and neck is much less painful then injecting into muscle tissue on the front leg or elsewhere. Injecting into muscle especially front leg is old school, it works but its very pain full to the animal.

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[sibi]

Listen Mister: you are out of order. Don't criticize my advise when you clearly are making assumptions yourself that cannot be verified or that are incorrect. Beginning with "under the skin" injections, the report you provided to the OP states IM or orally. Instead of acknowledging that you were mistaken, you attack me for my comments of which you have no idea what illnesses are really being experienced. Let's take the overheating remark. Yes, I said RI because that's what mucus from the nose and mouth often is. I DIDN'T DISCOUNT OVERHEATING! I just stated a possibility to look out for. And, it still remains to be seen if the tort doesn't come up with a RI!!! Time will tell that, won't it?

The comment on x-rays of the bladder was clearly an oversight on my part because I thought the OP said the tortoise had a UTI as oppose to URI. Hello, my mistake. Pardon me Mister Expert!

Finally, about the large prolapse, I simply asked if she could GENTLY push it back in. People who have actually experienced a prolapse in their torts, like I did, will make an attempt to put it back in no matter how large it is. If it can come out, it may be able to go back in.

You have no business telling anyone who CAN give advise or not. Who do you really think you are? I, for one, would never advise an OP to tell her vet that he killed her tort. I, for one, would never tell the OP that her tort died of kidney and/or liver failure especially when you have no proof. Have you seen a pathology report stating the primary cause of death? NO YOU HAVEN'T! I would say, it's YOU who shouldn't give advise of things you have no knowledge about i.e., the death of that poor tort, OR HOW TO ADMINISTER BAYTRIL PROPERLY! If you're saying now, well that's old school, then why did you give a report to the OP with "old school" info?

Correction: "UNDER THE SKIN" is not the proper way to inject Baytril. I wouldn't argue with a vet for injecting IM (intramuscular). My torts were injected for 10 days IM with no ill effects. In fact, they recovered from their RI, and are doing quite well. That report even mentions the two ways to administer Baytril to tortoises: IM or orally. I've got my experts also, and my vet is very knowledgeable even though I'm constantly checking his what he's doing to my torts.

I don't know, I was asking you.

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Anyone reading this, please take a note and never allow baytril being administered into rear legs of a turtle/tortoise. When prescribed for RI, baytril injections should ideally be spaced to semi daily administration to aid in metabolizing the antibiotic between injections and reduce toxicity build up. 10 injections over 20 day period. It should be administered in a cavity between front leg and neck, closer to the leg, and JUST UNDER THE SKIN. As baytril is a painful injection sides should be alternated between left and right. This comes from a vet I use who is very knowledgeable and experienced with turtles/tortoises.

I am sorry this torts had to pay with its life due to vets lack knowledge.

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I am sorry, but you really should stop giving people advice. In last couple days , you told person their tortoise has RI while its clearly overheating, to try pushing large prolapse back in, to have X rays done for bladder stones while the tort has clear RI, etc.

As baytril is a painful injection as it is, injecting just under the skin in the cavity between front leg and neck is much less painful then injecting into muscle tissue on the front leg or elsewhere. Injecting into muscle especially front leg is old school, it works but its very pain full to the animal.

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[AnnV]

I am terribly terribly sorry to hear of the tragic death of Lilly. I can't imagine. Sincere condolences.

I am dealing with a bit of an uri with my Star. Looking here and online for a reptile specialist, I thought I'd have to drive 1 1/2 hour. I called a friend who took her rats to a clinic listed here on vet page in RI. She just happened to meet a woman vet recently who bought a more local veterinary hospital, and she is an exotics specialist. My friend had her card right handy and gave the number. I was hoping to get in the next day as it eas just 5pm. As soon as the Dr heard it was a star with upper respiratory issues, she said she would wait for me to come that evening.
Turns out she was quite knowledgeable and spent a lot of time with me. I did opt for a culture from the fluid she obtained from his runny nose. And a fecal. Opted out of bloodwork and xrays which would have doubled the already substantial bill. She sent me home with Fortaz injectable and diabetic needles to be administered 7 times, every 3 days. She gave the first injection, explaining to me clearly as she demonstrated. I was to alternate front legs. She explained at that time, that torts cannot have injections in the rear legs because of their circulatory system. She told me if injected in the rear of the tort's body it does not circulate back around to the front, but instead goes straight to the kidneys. She also knew that Baytril was not to be given to I. Stars (confirmed by the breeder when I emailed him.)
I admit that I could not give the last injection. It was evident that the repeat injections at the same site were increasingly painful. And after nearly 3 weeks of treatment he was no better, anyway. We are still fighting it.
I may call the Dr back but will insist on oral meds that I can just pick up. Luckily, he eats well. I was putting him out regularly on nice days, but I am going to even stop that and just let him have ONLY the routine care in his small indoor enclosure. I think at this point he can't even handle the slight change from outdoor to indoor air and temp fluxuations. I even hate to stress him with soaks, but I know how important they are.
Has anyone tried Reptaid for a tort. I have it on order.
Ann from CT

 

[jaizei]

It must be hard enough on the OP that they lost Lilly, let's try to keep the thread positive.

 

[mike taylor]

I'm sorry for your loss . But i must say to the two people that are fussing back and forth. I does not change this person just lost a loved friend and pet . So show a little respect and take it to a pm.

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[sibi]

You're absolutely right. Apologies to everyone who had to read the nonsense here. I'm particularly sorry for the OP's loss and that's what this thread should be about.

I'm sorry for your loss . But i must say to the two people that are fussing back and forth. I does not change this person just lost a loved friend and pet . So show a little respect and take it to a pm.

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