pacific chelonians
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do we know of any tortoises that have beet austwickia I was just wondering
I have a question but not worth making a thread. Why does it seem everyone is avoiding actually naming sources of these outbreaks? Is it a liability concern (which I can understand if it is)?i do not know of any long term survivors personally. i will check with a few people and the lab who has done testing on the gopher with this to see if they have seem any.
I guess I worded it poorly, let me reword it.there is no name for them. its not really an outbreak. its sick animals being shipped by specific people / breeders. the animals previously found with this such as the gopher tort was a single individual so its not an outbreak per se.
Must have missed it, thank you!because many people are working on ways to *try* to find ways to stop it. it may not be able to be stopped but there are people trying. it is actually a rare disease thats why its so important to try to get it stopped. but the info is out there if you read through. the main breeder has been named in a couple threads already if you do some reading through them. there has been no way to get anyone like usda etc to be involved to put a stop to it. there is a new case in a gopher tort and they take those very seriously so there are looking into avenues they can use that case for to help *maybe* do anything. as far as sellers of them its been pretty much anyone who resells them with a very few exceptions in the country now since the main source is a larger scale wholesaler. the key now is to look to private breeders who have NOT had cases vs the other way around and avoid pet stores and other places that you dont know the source of their babies. the issue again is most will claim to have bred these babies themselves where they are actually buying them wholesale then reselling to the public claiming they did hatch them. some 100 or more at a time.
Let's be honest. Anyone believing their livelihood is being falsely accused of unproven claims they are knowingly selling sick animals and these allegations were coming from the forum would be probably looking to shut TF down or trying to force TF to release the names of the accusers.I guess I worded it poorly, let me reword it.
Why does it seem everyone is avoiding naming the the breeders/sellers who have infected animals in their colonies, and are still selling them? The textbooks make it seem like this is a rarer disease, yet I keep seeing threads about it.
BBB is a joke, and unless it starts impacting cattle or something we eat i doubt the government is going to leap into action.Let's be honest. Anyone believing their livelihood is being falsely accused of unproven claims they are knowingly selling sick animals and these allegations were coming from the forum would be probably looking to shut TF down or trying to force TF to release the names of the accusers.
Mixed in with all of this is aw requires a more intensive biopsy than normal AND fewer exotic vets are familiar with aw or the biopsy required to diagnose. Thus, wayward sellers can continue to sell as if they have no problems.
I cringe when I see ads on craigslist with 30 baby sulcatas. You have no idea who the seller is or whether they're ignoring symptoms, not to mention if they start them the right way.
My thought was to try & stop these sellers from being able to sell/exhibit at reptile shows by members individually putting pressure on the hosts of these events, but that doesn't stop their Internet business. If we can post online reviews, there's another point.
I have no hope the federal government or most state governments are capable of intervening in a helpful manner...maybe the Better Business Bureau from the standpoint many businesses, including pet shops, are signed up with them.
Shows make part of their money from vendor space rental...organizers have no real vested interest in banning their paying retailers. Heck, people can't even get behind rational prevention of COVID spread at stores, museums, schools, and concerts, so how does one write an anti-AW policy for reptile vendors? And who's to say they won't bring visually unaffected animals (that get bumps and erosions in a few weeks -- which is what we see most of the time)....stop these sellers from being able to sell/exhibit at reptile shows by members individually putting pressure on the hosts of these events...
Sure looks like it to me. Be sure to practice excellent hygiene. It's extremely contagious.Do you think this is it one of the Greeks I imported earlier this year
You might want to pm @mastershake directly.Do you think this is it one of the Greeks I imported earlier this year
i was sent texts from someone with these pics exactly is this your tort or someone elses? i also have been in pm messages with that person??Do you think this is it one of the Greeks I imported earlier this year
i have posted this info many times. its through contact. not air. they can get it from fecal matter on the eggs as they break out, the soil, water, other torts, the enclosure they are in etc etc pretty much anywhere and anything that has been in contact with it.@mastershake has the method of transmission been figured out yet? Are the adult breeder animals able to live with it and pass it on to juveniles through the egg (or on the egg)? It seems like the broodstock would be dead by now if they were as susceptible to it.
i went through someone here early 2020. thats what started all the time and effort to figure this out. this person sent them to me as ones they bred but in fact got them from another breeder which i did not find out till months later and back and forth. so even buying them here you have to be very careful.Shows make part of their money from vendor space rental...organizers have no real vested interest in banning their paying retailers. Heck, people can't even get behind rational prevention of COVID spread at stores, museums, schools, and concerts, so how does one write an anti-AW policy for reptile vendors? And who's to say they won't bring visually unaffected animals (that get bumps and erosions in a few weeks -- which is what we see most of the time).
Store reviews can be effective...unless the website owner has control over which reviews get posted. Reviews here can be helpful...if people know that they should be researching a pet as hard as they do any other serious household purchase (appliance, car, apartment, contractor...).
Yes, it comes down to mostly Buyer Beware and people knowing how to be their own consumer advocate.