I feed tiago spinach in moderation anyway!
\AnthonyC said:So Kristina, if it has no negative effects on torts (if fed in moderation) does it have any positive effects? Is it high in a particular vitamin that our torts need? Naturally I'm being greedy here b/c when I say "torts" I'm referring to Sulcatas b/c that's what I have.
GBtortoises said:The fact is that so far there is no research that shows what, if any effect oxalic acid may actually have on tortoises. There is also no known toxicity saturation level in relation to how much is too much oxalic acid intake for a tortoise. Most studes done with human saturation levels basically state that you'd have to consume unusually high volumes of vegetables high in oxalic acids in a short time to have much if any negative effects. That's really all we have to go on.
Kristina said:No, if fed in moderation, it will not have any negative impacts.
I would not feed it daily, however. Moderation means you have to mix things up. I feed something different every day. Once a week or every two weeks is fine, however. It takes me about two weeks to cycle through all the greens that the grocery store near me carries.
To better explain what I mean by cycling through food items and feeding in moderation, please refer to the article I wrote on "balanced diets." http://www.tortoiseforum.org/Thread...ises-The-Balanced-Diet-Revealed#axzz1d8ly7Q7I This isn't a care sheet aimed at one particular species, but rather a guideline on HOW to feed the foods that you buy, what foods are good choices, what to avoid and how much of each "group" of food to offer.
evlinLoutries said:Kristina said:No, if fed in moderation, it will not have any negative impacts.
I would not feed it daily, however. Moderation means you have to mix things up. I feed something different every day. Once a week or every two weeks is fine, however. It takes me about two weeks to cycle through all the greens that the grocery store near me carries.
To better explain what I mean by cycling through food items and feeding in moderation, please refer to the article I wrote on "balanced diets." http://www.tortoiseforum.org/Thread...ises-The-Balanced-Diet-Revealed#axzz1d8ly7Q7I This isn't a care sheet aimed at one particular species, but rather a guideline on HOW to feed the foods that you buy, what foods are good choices, what to avoid and how much of each "group" of food to offer.
So if I just gave my torts spinach only, every day, it still have no negative impact?
I'm still curious to this kind of thing, cause many ppl will not suggest spinach as food for tort..
Madkins007 said:Of COURSE it will have a negative impact. Feeding ANY single food item everyday will limit the nutrients that the tortoises need to grow healthy- that is why we offer a variety of everything.
Are you asking if the level of oxylic acid will eventually have an impact? Some people have reported that their tortoises got bladder stones, and they blamed it on spinach. However, Mader's "Reptile Medicine and Surgery" states that there is no one known cause for bladder stones and that dehydration is the likely trigger. (Oxalates and oxylic acids are not even listed in the index of the book!)
Also- don't forget that tortoises of many species are reliably reported eating plants in the wild that are so loaded with oxalates that they are listed as toxic to humans.
Madkins007 said:I've never been there, but I would imagine that in Indonesia, you would have access to a wider variety of fresher, better foods for your torts than many of us here in the cold parts of the US have. I'm a bit jealous!
evlinLoutries said:Kristina said:No, if fed in moderation, it will not have any negative impacts.
I would not feed it daily, however. Moderation means you have to mix things up.
So if I just gave my torts spinach only, every day, it still have no negative impact?
Kristina said:You absolutely cannot feed one thing only, every day. Even if it was something other than spinach, it would still have a negative impact. I very clearly stated that it had to be fed in moderation and mixed in with other things.