Same subspecies?

shellfreak

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Do these Greek look like the same subspecies? I don't know much about the different sub species and if they can cross breed. Top is female and I have had her for about 5 years, bottom is male. I'm purchasing the male, but want to see if they are same sub in order to breed them in a few years. Thanks all.
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HermanniChris

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Both appear to be Testudo graeca ibera just possibly from a different geographical origin. How big is the older tortoise?
 

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