Prolapse??

[Yvonne G]

Mikeh: How on earth can it be considered 'thoughtless' when the two threads are totally separate from each other. I still haven't read the other thread. I had no way of knowing this was a sick tortoise, and I'm sure the others who were joking about the penis had no way of knowing either.

This is why it is important for each member to keep info that pertains to the same problem in one thread instead of posting it all over the Forum. With over 23,000 registered members and hundreds of new threads posted every day, there's just no way we can get to know a person and his tortoise unless he keeps the info to one thread.

Sparkling:

I'm very sorry that your tortoise died. Like birds, a tortoise can be sick for a very long time before he starts to show symptoms. And sometimes by that time it is too late to do anything about it. This is a sad time for you, and I wish it didn't have to happen.

 

[sibi]

My tortoises were put on the same meds and administered every other day for 10 days. It was injected into the muscle, not under the skin. I'm so sorry for the owners loss. There is, however, no proof that the tortoise died of kidney and/or liver failure. I'm not saying that the tort didn't have organ failure; I'm just saying there's no proof of that, and let's not forget, the tort was fighting a RI which could have killed him. Respitory infections are not minor illnesses. If it gets into the lungs and turn into pneumonia, that's enough to kill a tort. I'm not trying to pick an argument here. I just want the facts to be known as far as it can be verified, that's all.

 

[sparkling]

I am very sorry to hear that you never mention that he was on antibiotics.

Mikeh: How on earth can it be considered 'thoughtless' when the two threads are totally separate from each other. I still haven't read the other thread. I had no way of knowing this was a sick tortoise, and I'm sure the others who were joking about the penis had no way of knowing either.

I described about RI situation and antibiotic treatment in the first post of this thread... One of my questions was "Could it be from antibiotics?".
I know that the jokes were not supposed to be offensive, so please let's just leave everything at that..

 

[SANDRA_MEISSNEST]

I didn't even know that there was another threat!

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[mikeh]

YvonneG: By thoughtless I meant people making comments without thinking.

If you look at the original post in this thread the author says in the very first sentence that she posted another thread about RI. (I went and read the other thread if I wanted to be helpful and fully understand the situation)

She continued to ask in this thread, if the flashing was a prolapse, which if you think about it means in the 5 years she had the tortoise it hasnt shown this behavior until now.

The flashing, for the very first time seen in the history of tortoise was observed very shortly after antibiotics were administered. (Antibiotics are also mentioned in this thread, so is mentioning this occurrence right after antibiotics)

She then continues in this thread stating there is a problem with urine.

Reading all this I seen red flags all over pointing to the now fact that situation was critical. Since I am no special, I would think that the readers at least some of the more experienced once would look at such post more in depth. Person here was clearly at a loss.

I have asked in both threads at the very beginning, what kind of antibiotics were administered, where were they injected and if the vet was a specialist. They were not answered in time, not by any means suggesting the answers would have saved the tortoise at that time. I myself don't know if there is a return beyond that point.

Maybe I am little upset that no one has seen what I have suspected (and I am no genius) and the whole thread was pushed to the funny side, while I seen at as critical. For that forgive me.

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I am very sorry to hear that you never mention that he was on antibiotics.

Mikeh: How on earth can it be considered 'thoughtless' when the two threads are totally separate from each other. I still haven't read the other thread. I had no way of knowing this was a sick tortoise, and I'm sure the others who were joking about the penis had no way of knowing either.

I described about RI situation and antibiotic treatment in the first post of this thread... One of my questions was "Could it be from antibiotics?".
I know that the jokes were not supposed to be offensive, so please let's just leave everything at that..

Sparkling,
You posted everything very clearly in this thread.

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Mikeh: How on earth can it be considered 'thoughtless' when the two threads are totally separate from each other. I still haven't read the other thread. I had no way of knowing this was a sick tortoise.

Yvonne G, you even responded to the other thread. But that's besides the point, It would be hard to put two together without going back to the first thread, after going thru tons of posts in between.

Ps: I always value your opinions and enjoy reading your posts.



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[sparkling]

I have asked in both threads at the very beginning, what kind of antibiotics were administered, where were they injected and if the vet was a specialist. They were not answered in time, not by any means suggesting the answers would have saved the tortoise at that time. I myself don't know if there is a return beyond that point.

The vet claimed that she has experience in treating reptiles (including tortoises) and that also she was consulting with another vet through this. A few reptile owners recommended her as a good vet in my city, so I believed she's a good specialist.
I am very thankful for your help and your posts were not ignored. Unfortunately, the tortoise already had 2 injections until that time you asked me what kind of antibiotics and where she was getting them. I visited the clinic again on that day, told all the concerns, including the danger of injections to rear legs, and the vet said it's normal, because tortoises get well very slowly and we need to keep the treatment if we want her to get better. There was my mistake, I believed her. Lilly received the 3rd injection (2nd of Gentamicin). I called another vet (long time reptile specialist) for the third opinion and asked about injections again, he assured it's really OK to administer antibiotics in rear legs. So I was left confused, but with hope. I visited the clinic next day again and the vet said that because tortoise still looked weak, she won't give Lilly any more injections. My baby died within a few hours.
I'm not trying to explain myself, I know it was my responsibility to know more about antibiotics even before taking the tortoise to the vet. Not to mention, after every visit. I thought the vet was competent and it was too late when it was obvious that she's not.

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I'm just saying there's no proof of that, and let's not forget, the tort was fighting a RI which could have killed him.

I understand what you mean, thank you for your opinion. I do not have other proof myself, except for the obvious facts that the tortoise started showing signs of kidney failure after Baytril's injection and even the drugs annotation says you have to administer the drug into front legs only. I guess these facts create a possibility and a huge one.
I'm not going to the vet with accusations. As much as it hurts, it won't do any good. But she truly needs to know what happened: all the facts, possibilities and consequences.

 

[Baoh]

The Baytril can be administered orally, subcutaneously, sometimes intramuscularly (but this can cause pain and myoatrophy at the site), and topically for varying indications.

It is not metabolized differently if administered IM in the rear limbs versus the forelimbs. Claims to the contrary are...interesting...and what we would call "technically incorrect".

It is well tolerated.

Gentamicin, however, is a different beast. Significantly nephrotoxic and that may align with the ammonia smell and the hypothesis of kidney failure. This latter antibiotic could easily have contributed to the result the OP and her tortoise have unfortunately experienced, although it would require histological examination to confirm responsibly.