Ploughshare , Angonoka , Yniphora
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RE: Ploughshare , Angonoka , Yniphora
This looks like a great thread and I love the picture ... but all the old pictures are gone. Boo hoo waaaaaaa! : (
The ploughshares are priceless treasures. You are most fortunate to be able to be their host and keeper! Yaaaay! : )
This looks like a great thread and I love the picture ... but all the old pictures are gone. Boo hoo waaaaaaa! : (
The ploughshares are priceless treasures. You are most fortunate to be able to be their host and keeper! Yaaaay! : )
RE: Ploughshare , Angonoka , Yniphora
Wow!!
Wow!!
RE: Ploughshare , Angonoka , Yniphora
Spectacular Sam. How many eggs does one female lay?
Spectacular Sam. How many eggs does one female lay?
Ploughshare , Angonoka , Yniphora
Will varies from clutch to clutch !
Will state a lower to upper range
3-7 eggs per nest and from 1-4 nest per season ( 28 days to 60+ days between lay)
So hard to give a definite answer .
Am expecting 5 new female to lay ( these I bought as babies few years back ) as they are sized ie. 13-14" and males have being busy chasing , humping them for the last 30 or so days they are awake .
Cheers
tortadise said:
Will varies from clutch to clutch !
Will state a lower to upper range
3-7 eggs per nest and from 1-4 nest per season ( 28 days to 60+ days between lay)
So hard to give a definite answer .
Am expecting 5 new female to lay ( these I bought as babies few years back ) as they are sized ie. 13-14" and males have being busy chasing , humping them for the last 30 or so days they are awake .
Cheers
Ploughshare , Angonoka , Yniphora
They the new female are big enough in term of size only but no guarantee when they will drop eggs !!
As they can start laying but all too small to hatch anything .
As with any other species new F can drop many clutches of eggs to be infertile before anything viable .
Cheers
They the new female are big enough in term of size only but no guarantee when they will drop eggs !!
As they can start laying but all too small to hatch anything .
As with any other species new F can drop many clutches of eggs to be infertile before anything viable .
Cheers
RE: Ploughshare , Angonoka , Yniphora
5? Such a spectacular sight Sam. I am glad your having lots of luck with this species. By chance what do you do with all the offspring. I certainly hope no inbreeding takes place? Also would love to know the earliest you have seen viable fertile eggs from a baby raised up? Again great accomplishments you are undertaking. Borneo is on my radar for a facility in the future because of its superb climate for many chelonian.
5? Such a spectacular sight Sam. I am glad your having lots of luck with this species. By chance what do you do with all the offspring. I certainly hope no inbreeding takes place? Also would love to know the earliest you have seen viable fertile eggs from a baby raised up? Again great accomplishments you are undertaking. Borneo is on my radar for a facility in the future because of its superb climate for many chelonian.
Ploughshare , Angonoka , Yniphora
Thanks for all the nice words .
Inbreeding , no way !! Certainly wont allow that to happen - just adult WC Male i have 8 to work with and more grow up to add to the gene pool ( these new male are bought as 2-3" babies years ago )
I keep good records !! At the moment i try to keep all progeny produced ( less than 10% given away or sold to fund this project )
Cheers
Yes 4 but sorry no prize for the right answer .
Now the long wait for them to hatch .
Cheers
tortadise said:
Thanks for all the nice words .
Inbreeding , no way !! Certainly wont allow that to happen - just adult WC Male i have 8 to work with and more grow up to add to the gene pool ( these new male are bought as 2-3" babies years ago )
I keep good records !! At the moment i try to keep all progeny produced ( less than 10% given away or sold to fund this project )
Cheers
AnnV said:
Yes 4 but sorry no prize for the right answer .
Now the long wait for them to hatch .
Cheers
RE: Ploughshare , Angonoka , Yniphora
Excellent. I love to hear good collection management as you describe. In upcoming years I would love to visit you when I make a trip in those parts of the world. I know it may seem naive to say. But many legalities are bent with this species and others in countries like yours. I do praise seeing a person like you doing the right thing with such species. Keep it up. You may be one of very few keeping this species around. I am not sure if your familiar with a studbook system like Europe/US does with certain species. But certainly keep up good record keeping with diverse bloodlines. Again your service with this success is greatly appreciated by at least me.
On another note. how different is the incubation regime form radiata? Do you also incubate artificially or leave the ova in the ground? If the latter of the two. I would be interested in knowing what sexual diversity the offspring hatch out at. Especially knowing the very limited increase to decrease in degrees in your country. I know the wet/dry seasons also may be difficult(especially if the females lay during the wet monsoon season). Anyways enough blabbing.
Excellent. I love to hear good collection management as you describe. In upcoming years I would love to visit you when I make a trip in those parts of the world. I know it may seem naive to say. But many legalities are bent with this species and others in countries like yours. I do praise seeing a person like you doing the right thing with such species. Keep it up. You may be one of very few keeping this species around. I am not sure if your familiar with a studbook system like Europe/US does with certain species. But certainly keep up good record keeping with diverse bloodlines. Again your service with this success is greatly appreciated by at least me.
On another note. how different is the incubation regime form radiata? Do you also incubate artificially or leave the ova in the ground? If the latter of the two. I would be interested in knowing what sexual diversity the offspring hatch out at. Especially knowing the very limited increase to decrease in degrees in your country. I know the wet/dry seasons also may be difficult(especially if the females lay during the wet monsoon season). Anyways enough blabbing.
RE: Ploughshare , Angonoka , Yniphora
Sam, congratulations again on continuous achievement for this species.
Do you still remember how many years ago you purchase those 2-3" babies? And is there any female among them which is also ready to lay eggs?
emystiong said:
Sam, congratulations again on continuous achievement for this species.
Do you still remember how many years ago you purchase those 2-3" babies? And is there any female among them which is also ready to lay eggs?
Ploughshare , Angonoka , Yniphora
Ya I heard and know how the studbook system works . In fact I have a similar system in place just in case the need arise - I know of about 80 - 100 angonoka in the region ie Thailand , Singapore , both west and east Malaysia , Brunei , Indonesia and Philippine thou only some are adults.
I do breed Radiata too , all my Chelonia eggs are collected and incubated artificially with the exception of a few Local sp ie emys , elongata ..... ( would not want to risk flood by leaving the ova in the ground )
My Radiata eggs are set and forget till they hatch in 120-150days sometimes bit longer ! Different temp setting for different batches of eggs just in case they can be "Temperature Sexed "
My oldest CH Radiated are less then 4 so can't be 100% sure on the sexes (sex by visual )
Cheers
Thanks , my first Yni ( 2-3" lot I mention above ) I bought back in 2006 /2007 .
Eggs from these young 6-8 yrs old , maybe soon like I mention a few post above ! Soon !
Cheers
tortadise said:
Ya I heard and know how the studbook system works . In fact I have a similar system in place just in case the need arise - I know of about 80 - 100 angonoka in the region ie Thailand , Singapore , both west and east Malaysia , Brunei , Indonesia and Philippine thou only some are adults.
I do breed Radiata too , all my Chelonia eggs are collected and incubated artificially with the exception of a few Local sp ie emys , elongata ..... ( would not want to risk flood by leaving the ova in the ground )
My Radiata eggs are set and forget till they hatch in 120-150days sometimes bit longer ! Different temp setting for different batches of eggs just in case they can be "Temperature Sexed "
My oldest CH Radiated are less then 4 so can't be 100% sure on the sexes (sex by visual )
Cheers
Yellow Turtle said:
Thanks , my first Yni ( 2-3" lot I mention above ) I bought back in 2006 /2007 .
Eggs from these young 6-8 yrs old , maybe soon like I mention a few post above ! Soon !
Cheers
RE: Ploughshare , Angonoka , Yniphora
This is the subject of discussion in another thread, that radiata only mature and ready to lay eggs after like 20 years... While the tortoise discussed is radiata, but I think, ploughshare is similar with radiata for the mature age, and in your case, 6-8 years is enough for them to breed.
I think you should present this to most of the chelonian centers there....
emystiong said:
This is the subject of discussion in another thread, that radiata only mature and ready to lay eggs after like 20 years... While the tortoise discussed is radiata, but I think, ploughshare is similar with radiata for the mature age, and in your case, 6-8 years is enough for them to breed.
I think you should present this to most of the chelonian centers there....
Ploughshare , Angonoka , Yniphora
Sulcata , Indian star and a few others closer to 6 yrs from hatch !!
I am rather curious about Aldabra ( as most say 20 yrs too ) but my oldest Aldabra bought as a hatchlings only about 6-7 yrs old but touch 24" already how soon before these can reproduce ?
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Another point or points to note is that by providing artificially thru supplemented heat , uv lighting indoor are we depriving them certain "thingy" only outdoor can provide ? Or were these the thing holding them back ( in term of maturing time ) over west ?
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I have read but did not bother to leave or add comment - like I say before , they can be big enough to breed in term of size but in the inside they might need a few more season but I am sure they can reproduce ( viable eggs ) in less than 10 years from hatch in Asia ( Radiata and Yniphora )Yellow Turtle said:
Sulcata , Indian star and a few others closer to 6 yrs from hatch !!
I am rather curious about Aldabra ( as most say 20 yrs too ) but my oldest Aldabra bought as a hatchlings only about 6-7 yrs old but touch 24" already how soon before these can reproduce ?
Cheers
Another point or points to note is that by providing artificially thru supplemented heat , uv lighting indoor are we depriving them certain "thingy" only outdoor can provide ? Or were these the thing holding them back ( in term of maturing time ) over west ?
Cheers
RE: Ploughshare , Angonoka , Yniphora
I'm curious as well for the aldabra case... I hope you can breed them much earlier than the theoretical reproductive age.
I'm not so sure whether the cold climate in the west really affect their reproductive ability, since I think I read somewhere here that a member trying to speed up breeding by accelerating growth. So for now I think size is the major factor for breeding, which I hope you can prove in the future with the aldabra.
emystiong said:
I'm curious as well for the aldabra case... I hope you can breed them much earlier than the theoretical reproductive age.
I'm not so sure whether the cold climate in the west really affect their reproductive ability, since I think I read somewhere here that a member trying to speed up breeding by accelerating growth. So for now I think size is the major factor for breeding, which I hope you can prove in the future with the aldabra.
Ploughshare , Angonoka , Yniphora
Maybe I can't test out the aldabran theory as only 4 left of those I bought as hatchlings ranging from 15-24" ( May not have sexed pair out of the 4 ) let's see when the time comes .
But for yniphora from hatch till drop eggs or hatch out time frame I can do that pretty soon !!
Cheers
Maybe I can't test out the aldabran theory as only 4 left of those I bought as hatchlings ranging from 15-24" ( May not have sexed pair out of the 4 ) let's see when the time comes .
But for yniphora from hatch till drop eggs or hatch out time frame I can do that pretty soon !!
Cheers
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