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[grasstrees]

I know both of these are Spur-thighed but which subspecies please. They are each around 60 years of age and the female weighs 3.5kg
Thanks

 

[HermanniChris]

The darker appears to be Testudo graeca ibera and the lighter one, Algerian T. g. graeca.

 

[grasstrees]

Thanks. Is it acceptable to breed both together? Thanks for the reply. I also inadvertently posted this twice. How can i delete one post. Very sorry

 

[wellington]

I can only help you with the duplicate post, which I took care of. Beautiful torts btw.

 

[grasstrees]

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Thanks Wellington.appreciate that. Found the web site tonight and am enjoying reading the posts.
Photo = wife and both torts

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I have another pair of adult spur-thighed (40 years) which are literally half the size of these.
I was told that the there are two sub species and some are larger than others - that the ones to the east are twice the size of the ones in the west ?? Can anyone explain this to me please?
Thanks

 

[BeeBee*BeeLeaves]

They are absolute beauties! Thanks for sharing those lovelies.
They could breed but might be best to not do so since they are different subspecies.
I do not know about the size difference between east and west but I seem to recall that Algerians are a tad rare.
Hopefully an expert will come along and give more definitive information.
Your tortoises are jewels! : )

 

[Raymo2477]

Can you breed them yes, should you no.

Hybrids are frowned upon.