Help - New Cherry-Heads Not Getting Along? :(

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Hi all,

My first time here and really would like to seek others help ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿป

Some context:

- Last Thursday I got a new cherry-head named "Charlie" and he/she seemed to adapt well at my home & the enclosure. Appetite is very good, will walk around a bit and loves to burrow after eating. He/she stays burrowed for quite awhile but seems to be fine.
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- Yesterday, I thought to get a new cherry-head as a friend to Charlie as I read they do well with a friend. The new one is called "Luca" who seemed mild and calm. Bringing him/her home, I introduced Luca to Charlie during feeding time. Charlie was a bit social and wanted to eat together, but Luca who seemed a bit hungry accidentally (I hope) bit Charlie's head which made Charlie retreat.
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- Today, Luca and Charlie had a waterbath together and they seemed fine, no other sign of aggression from Luca to Charlie.

- After that, I placed some food and Luca began happily eating but now Charlie refused to. I tried putting some food at a different place in front of Charlie and he still refused to eat. He/she burrowed and stared quietly before burrowing deeper.

Additional info:
* Both are between 6-8 months, bought at different stores (under the same branch/chain of stores).
* Charlie has a flatter shell, and Luca has a more rounded shell.
* I live in Malaysia, and general temperature is about 60 - 80 (humidity) and 29 - 31 degrees Celsius.
* Their enclosure - flooring made of coco-husk, water bowl, granite slates & overhead lamp of 10.0 (UVB), size: approx 1.5 feet x 3 feet
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Now my main concerns/questions:

1. Charlie refusing to eat even though he had a very good appetite before Luca's incident yesterday. I'm worried Charlie is having sudden anxiety or still adapting. Should I continue to house them together or what should I do? This is my first time taking care of cherry-heads.

2. I notice Luca is a little strange (or just due to my lack of experience) for a cherry head. He/she doesn't burrow at all. Last night after eating Luca walks around a bit and just sat down with his/her eyes open. I placed a wooden cover/dome over Luca and he/she eventually falls asleep. This morning I checked, same - Luca did not burrow and slept on ground.

Hope the visuals help ๐ŸŒป thank u very much
 

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Tortoises are never to be kept in pairs. A little research on here and you would have found that out beforehand. Tortoises do not want or need a friend. Sometimes groups work but not pairs. Separate them ASAP!
 

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Wherever you read that they "do well with a friend". Mark that as SPAM.
They are solitary creatures that often tolerate each other while still very young. But as you're seeing. Not always.
They need to be separated right away.
 

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Was hoping to chip in here but looks like everyone answered already haha! But yep, you should separate them as soon as possible. โœŒ๏ธ
 

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Hi all,

My first time here and really would like to seek others help ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿป

Some context:

- Last Thursday I got a new cherry-head named "Charlie" and he/she seemed to adapt well at my home & the enclosure. Appetite is very good, will walk around a bit and loves to burrow after eating. He/she stays burrowed for quite awhile but seems to be fine.
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- Yesterday, I thought to get a new cherry-head as a friend to Charlie as I read they do well with a friend. The new one is called "Luca" who seemed mild and calm. Bringing him/her home, I introduced Luca to Charlie during feeding time. Charlie was a bit social and wanted to eat together, but Luca who seemed a bit hungry accidentally (I hope) bit Charlie's head which made Charlie retreat.
View attachment 362036

- Today, Luca and Charlie had a waterbath together and they seemed fine, no other sign of aggression from Luca to Charlie.

- After that, I placed some food and Luca began happily eating but now Charlie refused to. I tried putting some food at a different place in front of Charlie and he still refused to eat. He/she burrowed and stared quietly before burrowing deeper.

Additional info:
* Both are between 6-8 months, bought at different stores (under the same branch/chain of stores).
* Charlie has a flatter shell, and Luca has a more rounded shell.
* I live in Malaysia, and general temperature is about 60 - 80 (humidity) and 29 - 31 degrees Celsius.
* Their enclosure - flooring made of coco-husk, water bowl, granite slates & overhead lamp of 10.0 (UVB), size: approx 1.5 feet x 3 feet
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Now my main concerns/questions:

1. Charlie refusing to eat even though he had a very good appetite before Luca's incident yesterday. I'm worried Charlie is having sudden anxiety or still adapting. Should I continue to house them together or what should I do? This is my first time taking care of cherry-heads.

2. I notice Luca is a little strange (or just due to my lack of experience) for a cherry head. He/she doesn't burrow at all. Last night after eating Luca walks around a bit and just sat down with his/her eyes open. I placed a wooden cover/dome over Luca and he/she eventually falls asleep. This morning I checked, same - Luca did not burrow and slept on ground.

Hope the visuals help ๐ŸŒป thank u very much
Hello and welcome. Good advice so far. More here:
 

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I see that you are in Malaysia
Any chance that you can keep them outdoors?
Your climate should be pretty decent for them
Hi, sorry for the delayed response - currently I'm living in an apartment, but will be moving to a landed home next year. Definitely looking forward to different enclosure options for Charlie and Luca ๐Ÿ˜

Btw, will they be alright to stay outdoors at 1 year+? ๐Ÿ™‹๐Ÿปโ€โ™€๏ธ
 

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No, they can have short visits outside when the temps are warm enough, but they should be more adult size, 8-10 inches before living outside 24/7. Besides, they do better as babies inside in a closed high humidity enclosure.
You do realize, they have to be separated now! You can't wait until you move to do this.
 
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