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Yes it should be, but I will tag who I think knows best with RF, @ZEROPILOT
Be sure your humidity is 80% he may be starting to pyramid a bit.
Be sure your humidity is 80% he may be starting to pyramid a bit.
You see pyramiding ? I keep always humidity above 80% in closed environment. I noticed more
pronounced grooves but thought was the growing and addition of rings.
Littleredfootbigredheart
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I don’t personally see anything of concern, I’ve seen lots of reds grow with these little grooves that turn out nice and smooth full grown, as long as humidity is where needed, don’t worry
Lizard owners prefer not to feed freeze dried insects because of lower nutritional value (often insects aren't properly gut loaded, some nutrients are lost during freezing process). However, as an occasional treat or topper for especially hated greens it's okay to feed. Just don't keep them in a food bowl for the whole day and offer other protein sources too.I have a question:
Is ok to give Lego the frozen dry (and re-hydrated ) crickets and shrimps as protein source?
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It could be the lighting, angel or start of pyramiding. Mostly in the first pic the first scute behind head. I don't see new growth coming in and usually the deeper grooves has new growth coming in. It's minor so may be nothing but be sure the humidity is always high and not decimating bulbs are not being used like mercury, halogen or spot.
Yes it is...please check your humidity and his temperatures....looks like he's trying to pyramid and his shell looks dry...welcome...
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But I DO see a lot to be concerned about...that baby needs 90% humidity w/about 85 degrees. The fact that there is pyramiding means his temps and humidity are not correct, OR he was started dry. Have you ever had a hatchling or baby to raise? Do you actually know how to keep Redfoot?
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I don’t personally see anything of concern, I’ve seen lots of reds grow with these little grooves that turn out nice and smooth full grown, as long as humidity is where needed, don’t worry
Littleredfootbigredheart...
But I DO see a lot to be concerned about...that baby needs 90% humidity w/about 85 degrees. The fact that there is pyramiding means his temps and humidity are not correct, OR he was started dry. Have you ever had a hatchling or baby to raise? Do you actually know how to keep Redfoot?
Can you please point the “lot”
I have been pretty active posting and sharing pictures and this is the first time since the last post (about 2 weeks) I hear about pyramiding on my RF.
This approach is far from being a instructive or pleasant experience.
Thank you for the concerns.
Grateful for the knowledge.
Littleredfootbigredheart
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We’ve already check with this member that he’s being kept correctly, I’ve not raised a baby no, but spent a lot of time looking at both members here and elsewhere of folks that have documented their red foot’s growth, most of the babies looked like this and grew to be perfectly smooth, but you don’t have to even take my word for it, @ZEROPILOT himself looked at this baby recently and said the grooves look like normal new growth, had I not seen his comment a month or two back, maybe I wouldn’t have confirmed there’s nothing of worry here
I believe even @Anyfoot commented saying he looks good!And for the record, yes I do know how to keep red foots..
Perhaps if those guys want to take another look and say he does now appear to be, that’s fine, I’m not arguing, just personally to me, baby looks ok, I could be wrong
A month or two back? A lot can change in that time! Just seeing pictures doesn't always portray what's really happening. Sometimes angle and lighting, can play a big part in what is being seen or not seen.We’ve already check with this member that he’s being kept correctly, I’ve not raised a baby no, but spent a lot of time looking at both members here and elsewhere of folks that have documented their red foot’s growth, most of the babies looked like this and grew to be perfectly smooth, but you don’t have to even take my word for it, @ZEROPILOT himself looked at this baby recently and said the grooves look like normal new growth, had I not seen his comment a month or two back, maybe I wouldn’t have confirmed there’s nothing of worry here
And for the record, yes I do know how to keep red foots..
Perhaps if those guys want to take another look and say he does now appear to be, that’s fine, I’m not arguing, just personally to me, baby looks ok, I could be wrong
Even the experienced can be right or wrong.
This baby is beautiful and hopefully it isn't pyramiding. However, I don't see new growth to say it's because of new growth. Better to point it out then to just say oh it's fine, cuz two months ago it was. This at least gives the OP a heads up that something is being seen that might not be right and they can double and triple check their enclosure and lighting. Over my many years here, I have seen many that thought everything was perfect, until they were given a heads up, did a recheck, and learned it wasn't so perfect after all!
Btw top scutes pyramid easier than the side scutes.
Littleredfootbigredheart
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Honestly it might not have even been that long, was just a guess, but as mentioned above they are quite active in posting and all has been looking well, but I definitely take what you’re saying on board about the lighting and such.
From my understanding this member has been on the forum a while now and followed all the care advice as far as lighting, heating, humidity levels etc but obviously only the op’s themselves know that for 100% certain.
I think I’m just personally struggling to see any or the start of any but perhaps you’re genuinely seeing something I’m missing, which is fine, always eager to learn
Sorry...I made that decision based on the very first photo, pyramiding starting, so it looks to me......I figured you still have time to stop it, but not if you don't see it. That is based on my 20 years of experience with pyramiding. I stand by what I said...in that first photo it looks like that to me...
Littleredfootbigredheart
I did mean to call your attention to what I saw. You can't change or stop it, if you don't see it. Maybe he is not starting...I still did what I thought was the right thing to point out to you...I don't know why you are so offended.Go to the home page and look at the media photos scrolling across the top...There is a small Sulcata about the same size as my baby Sulcata and the op's baby...I do realize they are different species but...I'm trying to make a point...
look at the ridges behind his head...now my baby Sulcata
see the same ridges on my baby...now go up front and look at the media...that Sulcata carapace is as smooth as absolutely can be. This is Mary Knobbins. She was raised on the downtown streets of Portland Oregon by antifa, and was fed hamburgers and fries...(no catsup) those pyramids will never go away, they will just look smaller.
Now...check this out...3 rescued Sulcata and all pyramided and a couple with MBD...that's me actually and my hands are on the mycoplasma tort....(not Sulcata)
Years ago when chelonia keeping was in it's infancy most captive Sulcata were pyramided cuz we just didn't know better...But while you were drinking your baby bottle, TFO was working hard to discover why the pyramiding. Years it took...My sister and I have been here since 2008 and we watched and helped the more experienced keepers make major discoveries and inroads into making kept tortoises healthier.
I have cared for some pyramids no doubt...My point being...both the op's baby and mine are starting to pyramid in my personal experience. Their care needs to be spot on from now on. I'd bet her's was started dry as well.
I'm sorry if the op didn't quite get what I was trying to say...too bad as she's gonna need help with that baby if he lives.
Littleredfootbigredheart
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But the growth of a young red foot looks so different compared with a young sulcata? From my understanding, from learning on the forum and looking at all the findings you’re taking about, it’s much more difficult to raise a perfectly 100% smooth red foot in captivity compared with a sulcata for example.
I’ve seen and read on here that reds commonly have these growth grooves, I’ve seen it on quite a few who are under a year, sometimes more pronounced in others I guess, but they still do grow out nicely. I’d need some time to find pics/ references.
I don’t think OP wasn’t necessarily offended here, but probably more confused as there’s already been a fair bit of interaction on care and everything checks out on their end as far as they say, which is all we can hope for when interacting with any member on the forum, they’ve clearly stuck around and taken information on from the forum.
Is your personal experience more with raising sulcatas? Or have you raised red foot’s too? Just curious. Because their growth looks so different to me, especially their early stages.
So for example these two look roughly Lego’s age, perhaps a little bit older, to me the first photo looks like true pyramiding on a young dry looking red foot, whereas the second photo looks like the typical grooves you see with a young captive red, much like Lego has in my opinion.
Now again I could be wrong, I’m curious what others think, but either way, saying ‘if he lives’ is a bit extreme, the baby is clearly loved and well cared for, living in Florida will have the perfect climate to live outdoors once big enough. I’m sure Lego will have a happy long life, again it can be arguably tricky to raise a perfectly smooth red foot, especially a beginner, but so long as baby is fed a good well balanced diet, high humidity, good temps, correct lighting etc, it’s by no means a death sentence, especially at this stage. Lego is a very good looking baby
Frankly, my comment had nothing to do with his keeper...he was started dry, most under inexperienced handlers won't have an easy time and MOST or a lot will die. Being kept dry really can be a death sentenceBut the growth of a young red foot looks so different compared with a young sulcata? From my understanding, from learning on the forum and looking at all the findings you’re taking about, it’s much more difficult to raise a perfectly 100% smooth red foot in captivity compared with a sulcata for example.
I’ve seen and read on here that reds commonly have these growth grooves, I’ve seen it on quite a few who are under a year, sometimes more pronounced in others I guess, but they still do grow out nicely. I’d need some time to find pics/ references.
I don’t think OP wasn’t necessarily offended here, but probably more confused as there’s already been a fair bit of interaction on care and everything checks out on their end as far as they say, which is all we can hope for when interacting with any member on the forum, they’ve clearly stuck around and taken information on from the forum.
Is your personal experience more with raising sulcatas? Or have you raised red foot’s too? Just curious. Because their growth looks so different to me, especially their early stages.
So for example these two look roughly Lego’s age, perhaps a little bit older, to me the first photo looks like true pyramiding on a young dry looking red foot, whereas the second photo looks like the typical grooves you see with a young captive red, much like Lego has in my opinion.
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Now again I could be wrong, I’m curious what others think, but either way, saying ‘if he lives’ is a bit extreme, the baby is clearly loved and well cared for, living in Florida will have the perfect climate to live outdoors once big enough. I’m sure Lego will have a happy long life, again it can be arguably tricky to raise a perfectly smooth red foot, especially a beginner, but so long as baby is fed a good well balanced diet, high humidity, good temps, correct lighting etc, it’s by no means a death sentence, especially at this stage. Lego is a very good looking baby
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Littleredfootbigredheart
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Don’t get me wrong, being kept too dry can definitely be a death sentence and I’m not arguing that a lot of inexperienced keepers don’t have it easy and their tortoises suffer the consequences.
I just genuinely don’t think Lego is being kept so dry that that’s the case here. At this stage it’s hard to even tell if this is actually the beginning of anything so it just felt like jumping the gun
Thank you!!!But the growth of a young red foot looks so different compared with a young sulcata? From my understanding, from learning on the forum and looking at all the findings you’re taking about, it’s much more difficult to raise a perfectly 100% smooth red foot in captivity compared with a sulcata for example.
I’ve seen and read on here that reds commonly have these growth grooves, I’ve seen it on quite a few who are under a year, sometimes more pronounced in others I guess, but they still do grow out nicely. I’d need some time to find pics/ references.
I don’t think OP wasn’t necessarily offended here, but probably more confused as there’s already been a fair bit of interaction on care and everything checks out on their end as far as they say, which is all we can hope for when interacting with any member on the forum, they’ve clearly stuck around and taken information on from the forum.
Is your personal experience more with raising sulcatas? Or have you raised red foot’s too? Just curious. Because their growth looks so different to me, especially their early stages.
So for example these two look roughly Lego’s age, perhaps a little bit older, to me the first photo looks like true pyramiding on a young dry looking red foot, whereas the second photo looks like the typical grooves you see with a young captive red, much like Lego has in my opinion.
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Now again I could be wrong, I’m curious what others think, but either way, saying ‘if he lives’ is a bit extreme, the baby is clearly loved and well cared for, living in Florida will have the perfect climate to live outdoors once big enough. I’m sure Lego will have a happy long life, again it can be arguably tricky to raise a perfectly smooth red foot, especially a beginner, but so long as baby is fed a good well balanced diet, high humidity, good temps, correct lighting etc, it’s by no means a death sentence, especially at this stage. Lego is a very good looking baby
Many, many members, will not say anything cuz they don't want to be rude or **** someone off. If it's not said, it can't be corrected or looked into. This may be nothing, it may be the start of pyramiding. All we have is a photo. The OP can ignore Maggie and I observation and and take those that want to be nice and polite or they can take a double take at what we see and look at the actual live tortoise and figure out if there is something needing correction or if it is really just the angle or lighting. Lots of times that's what it is. It's that simple. We don't look out of the same eyes. Some have much more experience, others don't. But if something looks off to someone, they should say so. Not everyone will see the thing!
Even though it might not seem like it, it's much easier to raise any tortoise without pyramiding than it is to stop it. Until you have tried, you don't know the battle.
Littleredfootbigredheart
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Again I totally see where you’re coming from, and perhaps Julias will check into their humidity monitors to make sure they’re all accurate, but the ‘if he lives’ comment did feel a bit too extreme given the circumstance.
I understand that with a lot of species, especially something like a Russian, but have you ever raised red foots? They’re very different growth wise when it comes to pyramiding, I’ve seen some of the more experienced members say so
Like you, I have not raised a RF, but unlike you, I have raised tortoises from before hatching. They aren't as different growth wise as you think you know. Many tortoises will look pyramided but aren't. The angle can make a pyramiding tortoise look smooth and other angles can make a smooth one look pyramided, which may be this case, or it may not be. One of the most experienced RF breeders isn't even on here any more. Health reasons made him leave way before you. I have learned from him what I could to help others. It doesn't matter anyway! You see what you see and we see what we see. A simple check over by the OP will or can fix whatever may need fixing or they can continue as is if it's nothing. Beating a dead horse though isn't going to change or determine anything, only the OP can do that.
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