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When u breed a tort, can u mix breeds together?
Baoh said:Several different tortoise species can be bred to one another to produce hybrids.
Some can be rather neat. Here is one. It mates with all of the tortoises of disapproving keepers after breaking into their cages like a ninja.
bigred said:Baoh said:Several different tortoise species can be bred to one another to produce hybrids.
Some can be rather neat. Here is one. It mates with all of the tortoises of disapproving keepers after breaking into their cages like a ninja.
Very funny, Beautiful ninja tort, Wonder how big that guy is going to get. Do you know how old he is?
Baoh said:bigred said:Baoh said:Several different tortoise species can be bred to one another to produce hybrids.
Some can be rather neat. Here is one. It mates with all of the tortoises of disapproving keepers after breaking into their cages like a ninja.
Very funny, Beautiful ninja tort, Wonder how big that guy is going to get. Do you know how old he is?
She was 15" scl the last time I measured her and is under four years old. I suspect she will grow much larger in time.
Baoh said:Honestly, I have no idea yet if they can reproduce with each other or either parent species. I may find out in 2013.
bigred said:Baoh said:Honestly, I have no idea yet if they can reproduce with each other or either parent species. I may find out in 2013.
I dont know all the science behind it but I wish you luck.
Baoh said:bigred said:Baoh said:Honestly, I have no idea yet if they can reproduce with each other or either parent species. I may find out in 2013.
I dont know all the science behind it but I wish you luck.
Thanks.
If he is game, the sire would be my ivory male. She is possibly (50%) heterozygous for the ivory gene (and 50% for the sunset hypo gene), so if she is an actual het, possibilities include half 75%sulcata/25%pardalis that are 100% het for ivory and half homozygous 75%sulcata/25%pardalis ivories. If she ends up not being a het, then the offspring will all be 75%sulcata/25%pardalis 100% het for ivory. It will be another couple of years before I could try mating her back to a Gpp het sunset hypo to see how that proves out, with similar results/proportions as above, but swapping the species percentages and involving the sunset hypo trait instead of the ivory trait.
I also have two other adult female tortoises I will try to make other types of hybrids with. Unfortunately, both species of the gals have a more elaborate courtship, so that may prevent typical get-it-on male sulcata mating from being successful. He tried with one, but she was not interested, so a butt wiggle maneuver caused a dismount. If she is not receptive this year, I have some backup plans in mind. If all end up being successful in terms of both mating, fertilization, and development, this would generate two new types of giant tortoise hybrids.
TortLover33 said:When u breed a tort, can u mix breeds together?
Baoh said:bigred said:Baoh said:Several different tortoise species can be bred to one another to produce hybrids.
Some can be rather neat. Here is one. It mates with all of the tortoises of disapproving keepers after breaking into their cages like a ninja.
Very funny, Beautiful ninja tort, Wonder how big that guy is going to get. Do you know how old he is?
She was 15" scl the last time I measured her and is under four years old. I suspect she will grow much larger in time.
Tom said:TortLover33 said:When u breed a tort, can u mix breeds together?
It is physically possible to produce hybrids by allowing two different species to breed, but it is unethical and should never happen.
Baoh said:Thanks, Dennis. Genetically, a sulcata x pardalis should be either the same or very similar to pardalis x sulcata since they have TSD and do not use sex chromosomes. I am not sure if we have only seen male pardalis successfully hybridizing with female sulcata because of a biological reason or simply due to a statistical reason, but my hunch is that it is the latter.
Personality is somewhat in between. She does not yet dig on her own, but will readily use a burrow. She does not ram, but she will do a linebacker/bulldozer-style shove if she gets spooked or when another animal tries to behave in a dominant way. First she will draw in if surprised, but will start shoving soon after if I get in her face. Her grazing style is always eat-step-stop-eat-repeat. Some of my sulcatas will be very mobile grazers, but will usually sit for a bit in an area to mow a particularly appealing patch of ground cover. She has never done that and only sits still if a food source is concentrated, like a piece of fruit or a dish with Mazuri. Otherwise, she strictly adheres to the feeding pattern mentioned. She is smoothing out further and is very strong. I have to be careful. She has separated a (my) cuticle from the nail twice.
Tom said:TortLover33 said:When u breed a tort, can u mix breeds together?
It is physically possible to produce hybrids by allowing two different species to breed, but it is unethical and should never happen.
Nothing unethical about it in personal collections and it will continue to happen.
LRTortoises said:I have wondered this about Cherryheads and Redfoots since they are the same breed just different locales.