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Thanks so much for the detailed response. I thought it was the build up of nitrites that drives need to do water exchanges. I guess with them fed outside the tank this is not an issue?
And how exactly does "high nitrites" impact Malaclemys t. ? No one really knows ( if at all! ).
Some of the "care" nonsense that is dished out these daze(!) .. has me in exactly that - a daze!
nitrites as is ammonia in excess is toxic to all animals as far as i know ., they do know the why's and how's of it ..... maybe diamondback terrapins are an exception , i never heard of it ........... i'm sure they can take more than fish , but kept in a toxic environment will certainly effect their health..... you could probably find information by googling "nitrite toxicity " .........And how exactly does "high nitrites" impact Malaclemys t. ? No one really knows ( if at all! ).
nitrites as is ammonia in excess is toxic to all animals as far as i know ., they do know the why's and how's of it ..... maybe diamondback terrapins are an exception , i never heard of it ........... i'm sure they can take more than fish , but kept in a toxic environment will certainly effect their health..... you could probably find information by googling "nitrite toxicity " .........
my point would be to correct the statement that nitrites are not harmful to turtles , and noone knows their effects .......... they're actually toxic to all animals , fish are like the canaries in a coal mine ........ and honestly very few folks keep their turtles naturally ...... nice fish and turtles you got there ............HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TERRAPINS KEPT NATURALLY / PROPERLY IN BRACKISH WATER.. WHICH IS THE INTENT OF THIS POST... AND THE FURTHEST FROM MY CONCERN. SO WHAT'S YOUR POINT?
my point would be to correct the statement that nitrites are not harmful to turtles , and noone knows their effects .......... they're actually toxic to all animals , fish are like the canaries in a coal mine ........ and honestly very few folks keep their turtles naturally ...... nice fish and turtles you got there ............
i mistook as implying nitrite in your aquarium water is not that important , may not matter whatsoever , and it actually might be "nonsense" ........ in hindsight obviously a mistake on my part , as that would certainly contradict your thoughts of keeping them in a natural/proper environment , and certainly noone keeping aquatic turtles artificiall could possibly think a properly working nitrogen cycle, and overall water chemistry is not of the utmost importance ........... not much more to it than water quality and light ……. And yes I do agree that dbt should be kept in brackish water , it's the environment they are certainly adapted to live in"And how exactly does "high nitrites" impact Malaclemys t. ? No one really knows ( if at all! ). Some of the "care" nonsense that is dished out these daze(!) "
cant y'all just calm down ?
this is plain and simple----
1. Is DBT more sensitive to water quality change than other species?------YES
2. does high nitrites impact DBT's health? -------WE DONT KNOW yet
3. is high nitrites an indicator of bad water quality ?------------in most cases, YES ( i have a master degree in environmental engineering, and i approve this fact)
Conclusion------- high nitrites is a warning sign of bad water quality, which may also comes with bacteria bloom ,low Oxygen saturation level ,etc in a closed water body bio system . Thus it is bad for DBT's health
1. Is DBT more sensitive to water quality change than other species?------YES Of course when FRESH water is involved!
2. does high nitrites impact DBT's health? -------WE DONT KNOW yet Keep them in Brackish Water and it's not a concern
3. is high nitrites an indicator of bad water quality ?------------in most cases, YES ( i have a master degree in environmental engineering, and i approve this fact) What does a masters degree in environmental engineering have to do with caring for Diamondback Terrapins the way they were created.. and that's living in Brackish Water? How "out-of-balance" does the Brackish Water environment have to get to compromise the reptiles that live in it?
Enchilada I've come to accept the "educated" as who they are .. most of which have little or any personal experience.. and I don't hold that against them.
Why is this nitrite thing on this thread? It has nothing to do with how well Diamondback Terrapins thrive when kept in Brackish Water. Why not take your "Nitrite" thing to your own thread on that subject. That's plain and simple.
Can any of y'all tell me why you are talking about nitrites here?
Can any of y'all tell me why the idea that Diamondback Terrapins should be kept in FRESH water.. since they aren't created to deal with that "environment"?
come on man, i'm on your side....i totally agree with you, i just wanna add more points
I only did the "battle of the nitrites" for few months, and that was very labor intensive. Miss the fish and the plants... Can't really contribute there but what I did want to comment on is your cat! Omg!!!!! I love the calico cats!!!! Not to highjack your thread but your kitty is GORGEOUS!!!! here are my last 2 kitties: the petite tortoiseshell is my old lady (15) Toffi and the white big boy is Maxi. I'll be looking for a kitten soon. I hope to find calico like yoursThank you.. @enchilada [ sure wish I could call you by name ] .. really appreciate your agreement!!! Here's my point all along:
Not one time have I ever done a nitrite check of the Terrapin water .. have the stuff for the 'brackish water' fish aquarium to test with and found that the algae growing on the plants under the light keeps the nitrites in balance.
Never occurred to me that nitrites would be an issue for brackish water terrapins -- never occurred to me to not create a balanced system for whatever turtle or tortoise I've kept and bred.. which they do. And what's the best sign that it's all in balance? -- when they reproduce!
There was a time when "filtration over-kill" was critical when I kept them in "Fresh water".. which is not natural for Diamondback Terrapins. So I guess that nitrites are a concern when they are kept in fresh water. The nitrites could be sky high in all of my tubs and tanks... I'm currently keeping well over 1100 gallons of Brackish and 300 gallons of fresh for them to drink/feed in .. and in the process of setting up another 300 Brackish / 110 fresh combo. So all I'm hearing is how dangerous high nitrites are. How does it manifest?
WHEN IT WORKS DON'T FIX IT
I've always meant to comment on your cat avatar man.. our Sammi -
Oh for Pete's sake! These few posts were split off from Terry's turtle thread because they were going off topic asking about nitrites and Terry doesn't like off topic in his threads. This thread is now about "Does high nitrite content in water affect turtles?" We're no longer talking about specifically DBT, but water turtles in general. Everyone has a right to post their opinion on this subject. So just cool it and go with the program. (and Terry, please note that pictures of cats have nothing to do with nitrites in the turtle water, and yet we've allowed them to stay. Some of us aren't as picky as others of us.)
This isn't your thread, Terry. This thread was split off from your thread because you complained that people were going off topic.