We are, first off, primarily discussing EXTRA VIRGIN ORGANIC COLD PRESSED COCONUT OIL. This is vital, this important, this is key.
That is the kind to use for remedy. Not food, every day. For remedy.
For your consideration. I had two very bad state Greek tortoises that I impulsively bought over a year and a half ago. They were non responsive, quiet, not eating. I did a lot of baby food soaks, as expert keepers here on TFO suggested. As a matter of fact, this is how I found TFO, researching for the care of my two new charges. While our family has 4 CDTs that were born in 1952, grandpa raised them (with natural remedies), I was not all that hands on experienced. These Greeks were it. Lo and behold, Greeks stress easily and get the RNS, runny nose syndrome. Yes, they were all that from the trip from Jordan to Egypt to PetSmart to me.
Besides soaks, raised temps, every 3rd day, I gave them a remedy that was a distilled water soak, 1 teaspoon of warmed extra virgin organic cold pressed coconut oil mixed in and 5 drops of raw organic apple cider vinegar. That was their soak. I supervised to be sure that they did not go under. They did not need this in eye or ears. Within 5 days, let's say a week, the runny noses were gone. Now I just needed them to eat. I continued this remedy once a week, after first doing it 3 days straight. They finally ate, 6 weeks into this game, and are doing great says their vet check up.
The vet suggested Baytril. I said let me think about it. Researched. Read a German author/keeper say that Hermanns (testudo right?) tortoises have been affected, gout and kidney failure. Decided, hell no. Add salt to the wounds, nope. These babies need support, not possible deadly side effects or long term damage. Ain't risking it..
This week, I have a Texas (possibly with CDT mix) tortoise, a recent adoption, with a runny nose that started again around Saturday. Fixed this before, when it first came to me 2 months ago. Our weather has been way up hot and then down. Wonky weather the last few weeks. Older fellow, this guy. I have to be very careful with him since he is new to me and also because the vet thinks he is about 40-50 years plus. For him, I mixed 1 tablespoon of distilled water together with a tiny dab of extra virgin cold organic pressed coconut oil and 5 drops of raw organic non pasteurized apple cider vinegar (the kind that looks foggy, that's the mother, the good bacteria). I did his Mazuri and Grassland soak with this. Three days later, no nasal drip.
Remedies are to remediate.
Thanks for the links Patrick. I read them. I understand your concerns but again, like the Web MD site says, it is the LAURIC ACID that helps. Additionally, they say, "because they come from coconuts, they may contain beneficial plant chemicals that have yet to be discovered," says Mozaffarian, researcher and co-director of the cardiovascular epidemiology program at Harvard.
None of the sites address extra virgin organic cold pressed coconut oil. They are talking apples, we are suggesting oranges. The howstuffworks is right, I am very aware of farm politics and manipulations, coconut oil was maligned by the soybean commodities people, they are market manipulators extraordinaire. Soybeans are USA grown, coconuts, not so much. There is more profit in soybean oils so you market the wonders of soybeans and you destroy the coconut oil market. Happens all the time, with so many things. Commodities supply and demand are based on more profit, not better health. I am looking at you banksters, grrr.
Like that site says: "Coconut oil even has its own conspiracy theory -- if coconut oil is so great, why haven't we heard more about it? Some coconut-oil devotees blame U.S. agribusiness. According to the conspiracy theory, coconut oil isn't a domestic crop -- but soybeans are. The darker side of this idea is that partially hydrogenated soybean oil and its now-infamous trans fats were touted as a healthy alternative."
EXTRA VIRGIN ORGANIC COLD PRESSED COCONUT OIL is UNREFINED
*** Avoid refined coconut oil period! It is tasteless and odor less because it has been refined. It is best used for soaps or cosmetic preparations! ***
Extra-virgin coconut oils are made from the first pressing of fresh, raw coconut without the addition of any chemicals.
Centrifuged oil is less likely to be exposed to much heat in the extraction process, so it will taste mild and delicate.
About rancidity: Coconut oil that has been kept at room temperature for a year has been tested for rancidity, and showed no evidence of it.
"In 1988, N.W. Istfan of Harvard University Medical School's Nutrition Coordinating Center, vindicated coconut oil. Dr. Istfan reported: "For the U.S. consumer, the use of coconut oil does not increase the role of heart disease." Other researchers demonstrated that coconut oil reduces the risk of atherosclerosis, heart disease, cancer, and other degenerative conditions. It helps prevent bacterial, viral, and fungal infections, as a result of its antimicrobial component, lauric acid, which is found solely in coconut oil and in breast milk. Coconut oil is rich in MCTs, which provide an immediate source of fuel and energy, and enable the human body to metabolize fat efficiently. This feature helps dieters, athletes, individuals who have difficulty digesting fat, and those with impaired immune systems. Unlike some saturated fats, coconut oil does not raise cholesterol."
This matches what was just published by the British Medical Journal last week.
EXTRA VIRGIN ORGANIC COLD PRESSED all y'all.
Not the refined one but the unrefined one with all the natural goodies and benefits.
That is the kind to use for remedy. Not food, every day. For remedy.
For your consideration. I had two very bad state Greek tortoises that I impulsively bought over a year and a half ago. They were non responsive, quiet, not eating. I did a lot of baby food soaks, as expert keepers here on TFO suggested. As a matter of fact, this is how I found TFO, researching for the care of my two new charges. While our family has 4 CDTs that were born in 1952, grandpa raised them (with natural remedies), I was not all that hands on experienced. These Greeks were it. Lo and behold, Greeks stress easily and get the RNS, runny nose syndrome. Yes, they were all that from the trip from Jordan to Egypt to PetSmart to me.
Besides soaks, raised temps, every 3rd day, I gave them a remedy that was a distilled water soak, 1 teaspoon of warmed extra virgin organic cold pressed coconut oil mixed in and 5 drops of raw organic apple cider vinegar. That was their soak. I supervised to be sure that they did not go under. They did not need this in eye or ears. Within 5 days, let's say a week, the runny noses were gone. Now I just needed them to eat. I continued this remedy once a week, after first doing it 3 days straight. They finally ate, 6 weeks into this game, and are doing great says their vet check up.
The vet suggested Baytril. I said let me think about it. Researched. Read a German author/keeper say that Hermanns (testudo right?) tortoises have been affected, gout and kidney failure. Decided, hell no. Add salt to the wounds, nope. These babies need support, not possible deadly side effects or long term damage. Ain't risking it..
This week, I have a Texas (possibly with CDT mix) tortoise, a recent adoption, with a runny nose that started again around Saturday. Fixed this before, when it first came to me 2 months ago. Our weather has been way up hot and then down. Wonky weather the last few weeks. Older fellow, this guy. I have to be very careful with him since he is new to me and also because the vet thinks he is about 40-50 years plus. For him, I mixed 1 tablespoon of distilled water together with a tiny dab of extra virgin cold organic pressed coconut oil and 5 drops of raw organic non pasteurized apple cider vinegar (the kind that looks foggy, that's the mother, the good bacteria). I did his Mazuri and Grassland soak with this. Three days later, no nasal drip.
Remedies are to remediate.
Thanks for the links Patrick. I read them. I understand your concerns but again, like the Web MD site says, it is the LAURIC ACID that helps. Additionally, they say, "because they come from coconuts, they may contain beneficial plant chemicals that have yet to be discovered," says Mozaffarian, researcher and co-director of the cardiovascular epidemiology program at Harvard.
None of the sites address extra virgin organic cold pressed coconut oil. They are talking apples, we are suggesting oranges. The howstuffworks is right, I am very aware of farm politics and manipulations, coconut oil was maligned by the soybean commodities people, they are market manipulators extraordinaire. Soybeans are USA grown, coconuts, not so much. There is more profit in soybean oils so you market the wonders of soybeans and you destroy the coconut oil market. Happens all the time, with so many things. Commodities supply and demand are based on more profit, not better health. I am looking at you banksters, grrr.
Like that site says: "Coconut oil even has its own conspiracy theory -- if coconut oil is so great, why haven't we heard more about it? Some coconut-oil devotees blame U.S. agribusiness. According to the conspiracy theory, coconut oil isn't a domestic crop -- but soybeans are. The darker side of this idea is that partially hydrogenated soybean oil and its now-infamous trans fats were touted as a healthy alternative."
EXTRA VIRGIN ORGANIC COLD PRESSED COCONUT OIL is UNREFINED
*** Avoid refined coconut oil period! It is tasteless and odor less because it has been refined. It is best used for soaps or cosmetic preparations! ***
Extra-virgin coconut oils are made from the first pressing of fresh, raw coconut without the addition of any chemicals.
Centrifuged oil is less likely to be exposed to much heat in the extraction process, so it will taste mild and delicate.
About rancidity: Coconut oil that has been kept at room temperature for a year has been tested for rancidity, and showed no evidence of it.
"In 1988, N.W. Istfan of Harvard University Medical School's Nutrition Coordinating Center, vindicated coconut oil. Dr. Istfan reported: "For the U.S. consumer, the use of coconut oil does not increase the role of heart disease." Other researchers demonstrated that coconut oil reduces the risk of atherosclerosis, heart disease, cancer, and other degenerative conditions. It helps prevent bacterial, viral, and fungal infections, as a result of its antimicrobial component, lauric acid, which is found solely in coconut oil and in breast milk. Coconut oil is rich in MCTs, which provide an immediate source of fuel and energy, and enable the human body to metabolize fat efficiently. This feature helps dieters, athletes, individuals who have difficulty digesting fat, and those with impaired immune systems. Unlike some saturated fats, coconut oil does not raise cholesterol."
This matches what was just published by the British Medical Journal last week.
EXTRA VIRGIN ORGANIC COLD PRESSED all y'all.
Not the refined one but the unrefined one with all the natural goodies and benefits.
I started using it lightly this summer. My sulcata was drying out so badly in my windy climate, even though she sleeps in a humid closed chamber at night and gets soaks every single day. I finally started applying coconut oil and giving her occasional toothbrush scrubs with the oil during her soaks and it made a HUGE difference. I'm uncertain whether I agree with all the claims on every thread, and don't know if it is something every keeper needs to use, but it certainly helps outdoor torts in my type of climate.
