I just want to start off by saying thank you to everyone in this group and (Tom) for all the help y'all have given me. I am so thankful that I found this forum before some other Sulcata site. I was just searching the web and came across the Ojai Sulcata Project and WOW! If I would have found them first I would be doing everything wrong! Don't get me wrong I'm not knocking them and I am sure their knowledge far accedes mine. But! I have seen the pics of Tom's Sulcata tortoises. Therefor I will continue to do as Tom does. It just blows my mind that things can be so different and so many people fallowing the wrong advice. Darwin and myself say THANK YOU!