Timbob the leopard

ashleyb1996

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Hello, just wondering if anyone could help and give me some advise with my little Timmy.
He is near on 6 months old.
I got him on the 30th August and he has been absolutely perfect he's gone from 56 grams to 59 grams since then (which I believe is okay from the research I done?) he's usually fed every morning unless I'm running late for work then it's evening, a handful of grass most days then I mix it up with different weeds and plants so it's not the same every single day. He gets a 5 minute soaks daily, apart from the odd days I stay late at work and his already asleep when I get home. He lives in a tortoise table, His mercury vapour lamp is on from 8am- 9.30 pm Basking;90-95 f, and then from 90-52f is warm to cool side. I have a cermamic heater for night time as it's very cold in my house and his just a baby, which varies from 65-50f from hot to cool side. I was using a soil that had white stones in ( which he was eating) then changed to coco coir, and spaghnum moss, he has 2 hides one built in with the tortoise table which I keep cool and dry with the soil, and a wood one I put in that I keep warm and humid (70-90%). Gets two lots of daily water as he somehow manages to splash his water out of his bowl!! As I said I give him about a handful of food he eats maybe abit less then half which I get rid of at night, and drinks plenty of water! I put a pinch of nutrobal and calci powder on his food every other day .. e.g nutrobal one day leave for 2 days Calci powder leave for 2days and so on. ( in case you thought I ment I put them both on one lot of food haha)
Anyway I think I've covered everything.
As I said before he was trying to eat the little white stones in his substrate, I've seen him actually eat one, the other times I've managed to get it out of his mouth before swallowing, any other times would be when I'm at work so I wasn't sure if he did eat anymore, so I changed that.. I took him outside when it was warmer, I have a very grassy garden with a pavement walkway with lots of stones.. he was not interested in any of the grass, weeds or colourful plants.. he want to the stones.. he hasn't been out since as it's way too cold!
I know I probably shouldn't but I do sometimes hand feed him and he sometimes tries to sneak off and try and bite my hand instead of his food (he's properly bit me before and it actually hurts lol) I don't understand why he does that either?
Also today I gave him a little cuddle with my white dressing gown on and he kept on trying to eat it? Everything white he has to eat?!
I read that he might not be getting enough vitamins and minerals.. so for one week I topped up his powder by leaving just one day apart but then he got really white gritty urinates? Which I read wasn't very good?! So now I'm a little stuck on what to do for him? His got cuttle fish too.. which he will only eat it fresh, I've been changing it once a month. He usually picks at it at least 3days a week so when he hasn't touched it for a week I know that's when he wants a new one. Can anyone help me? I don't want to have to worry that everytime I have my white dressing gown on he's going to try and eat me lol! I'm very sorry that's its long, and anything that seems wrong I'm more then happy for you to advise me on how to change :) thanks.
 

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The humidity should be 80% and your temps are too low. They should be 80 day and night with basking 95-100. Fix the temps and humidity ASAP before you have a very sick tort. The proper humidity and soaking him longer then 5 minutes, should be at least 20 minutes and his Urates should be fine. Which by the way, it's rare to see Urates in a leopard so I would make the changes quick. Also read Toms closed chamber thread which is what you should shoot for.
 

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I've had leopards for quite a long time and I see pee, but I've never seen urates.

Maybe a diet change is in order. Try adding some cactus to your usual menu.
 

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Hello.
Is Timmy the same tortoise that used to be called Doug, or is this another one ?
If so how is Doug ?
Please carefully reread the links I posted for you on the other thread.
 

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Hello.
Is Timmy the same tortoise that used to be called Doug, or is this another one ?
If so how is Doug ?
Please carefully reread the links I posted for you on the other thread.
Thanks for getting back to me everyone .. Doug was in the vets for over a week with R.I and liver failure, he passed away!:( but I wasn't going to let that stop me with tortoise's.
I've had Timmy checked by my vets who he specialises in tortoises.. and I told him how his home is set up.. and temperature ect.. he said it all sounds perfect? So now I'm confused. Lol!
Also with the 'urates' it was just one time with that week I was putting extra calci and nutrobal on his food.. I assume that's what it was because it was white and gritty? And hasn't done since back to his normal routine.
He likes to sit in his water bowl when I first fill it up ( I fill it with warm water in the morning) which is why I only give him around 5 minutes soak, and also he gets very frustrated.. and I really hate seeing him like that :(!
Anyway the point of this was about him wanting to eat everything white?! Would changing the temperatures and humidity stop this? Or is this something I'll have to put up with .. I've seen lots of people say stuff about it but never actually seen the answer.. maybe I'm not looking enough?!
 

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Many tortoises get frustrated and stressed by their soaks.
Put him in a high sided opaque container that he can't see out of and soak for at least 15 minutes. It's good for them. He may get used to it eventually, mine did.
As for the eating white things, this is interesting, it may be because he associates white with food because of the calcium bits or whatever they were in his substrate. However, my tortoise (not a leopard) also likes to try eating almost anything white ( and, indeed, green) and never had this type of substrate. Many tortoises seem to be drawn to try and consume red objects. Hopefully he'll grow out of it as he learns white things are not food and gets fed enough of other coloured things.
I can't see that changing your temps or humidity would help.
They should be kept at the optimal levels as per the care sheets.
 

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Your lows are *very* low. Your house really gets to 50F overnight? That is far lower than I have ever heard someone keeping a leopard tortoise overnight and would be especially dangerous for a hatchling. You aren't likely to find support for this here, no matter what a vet said. Get your night temperatures up (buy a ceramic heat emitter and a thermostat) or you will have a very sick baby in the very near future.
 

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Your lows are *very* low. Your house really gets to 50F overnight? That is far lower than I have ever heard someone keeping a leopard tortoise overnight and would be especially dangerous for a hatchling. You aren't likely to find support for this here, no matter what a vet said. Get your night temperatures up (buy a ceramic heat emitter and a thermostat) or you will have a very sick baby in the very near future.

LOL I'm really sorry it's not that cold!! I've just googled it!!! .. I've completely messed up.. I was trying to work it out my self swapping c to f in temperature and I've completely messed that up.. in c; basking spot is 36. Then it varies between 35-29. And night time is 29-23 with a ceramic heater!! I'm really sorry maths is not my strongest point! Also I wrote that up late last night! !!
 

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LOL I'm really sorry it's not that cold!! I've just googled it!!! .. I've completely messed up.. I was trying to work it out my self swapping c to f in temperature and I've completely messed that up.. in c; basking spot is 36. Then it varies between 35-29. And night time is 29-23 with a ceramic heater!! I'm really sorry maths is not my strongest point! Also I wrote that up late last night! !!

Phew, okay good!

23C (73F) is still lower than is generally recommended for this species, especially as a hatchling. It seems most of the tropical climate tortoises hatch in the hot, wet season so they do best when kept warm and humid. Temperate species (like the Testudo tortoises most commonly owned by European keepers) don't have those requirements, so a lot of seasoned tortoise people don't realize tropical species (like leopards, sulcata, redfoots, etc.) need it warmer and wetter than what they typically deal with. Bump your thermostat up a bit to bring you night temp low up to 26-27C.
 

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