Is it a cherryhead?
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Your lil one has characteristics of both. The bulbous nose looks like cherry , while the bottom plastron looks more like a RF. The pictures are a little fuzzy to tell for sure ( it also could be a hybrid) . Only time will tell at this point to see if it’s a boy or girl.
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Yea how much bigger to tell if it's a boy or girl it's a year old from what I'm told maybe 5-6 inches untill I'm able to tell the sex thanks
Yea I have been trying to fix it for the two weeks I've had him
N2TORTS said:Your lil one has characteristics of both. The bulbous nose looks like cherry , while the bottom plastron looks more like a RF. The pictures are a little fuzzy to tell for sure ( it also could be a hybrid) . Only time will tell at this point to see if it’s a boy or girl.
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I agree ... but the plastron would lead me to lean more towards a redfoot.
kimber_lee_314 said:N2TORTS said:Your lil one has characteristics of both. The bulbous nose looks like cherry , while the bottom plastron looks more like a RF. The pictures are a little fuzzy to tell for sure ( it also could be a hybrid) . Only time will tell at this point to see if it’s a boy or girl.
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I agree ... but the plastron would lead me to lean more towards a redfoot.
This is a comparison between a Cherryhead and a Northern Redfoot.......What would make you think the animal in question would lean more towards a Northern?
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EricIvins said:kimber_lee_314 said:N2TORTS said:Your lil one has characteristics of both. The bulbous nose looks like cherry , while the bottom plastron looks more like a RF. The pictures are a little fuzzy to tell for sure ( it also could be a hybrid) . Only time will tell at this point to see if it’s a boy or girl.
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I agree ... but the plastron would lead me to lean more towards a redfoot.
This is a comparison between a Cherryhead and a Northern Redfoot.......What would make you think the animal in question would lean more towards a Northern?
Eric, I 'll post some bottom pics too. Fact is.. *MOST* of the time a pure cherry blood line will have marbled plastron to almost black, with very little tan/light coloring on the plastron. Unlike the starter of the threads pictures .
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bobbymoore said:
More like light spots....and with that new pic. yes yours does look like a cherry more so than a northern. The plastron will change colors as it matures. On the carapace the marbling usally starts white...and grows as it it gets older, the plastron usally the opposite visual effect , with the pattern showing more with black development patterns.
here is a youngster 6"...you can see the white lines'
The mom ... around 11"
Alright thanks and one more question do all cherryeads marble?
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even more interesting ..... how about a Northern RF...with " yellow Marbling" .....
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No problems buddy .... " Happy Tort~n"
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One thing to remember... 'cherry-head' is mostly a marketing term for unusually colorful Red-foots from the Southeastern parts of Brazil.
The main identifying characteristics of Brazilian Red-foots seem to be a mostly dark plastron (although shell rot, etc. can mess that up), an enlarged colorful scale on the inner front elbows, a slightly bulbous and colorful nose, a fairly dark almost black skin on the neck, all the scales on the legs and head the same basic color, and comparatively few colored scales on the neck.
Websites from that region mention 'red' and 'yellow' Red-footeds, which appear to be two color morphs- the brilliant reds we generally associate with the group, and a more 'typical' Red-footed's colors.
Obviously, some of these characteristics are a very subjective and there is a lot of variation in all groups of Red-footed tortoises. It is certainly possible to have a very colorful Northeastern type, and a rather bland Brazilian type.
Having said all that, I really don't see a lot of the 'cherry-head' characteristics in yours, but I do see signs of past health problems- so I am glad it is in more caring hands.
The main identifying characteristics of Brazilian Red-foots seem to be a mostly dark plastron (although shell rot, etc. can mess that up), an enlarged colorful scale on the inner front elbows, a slightly bulbous and colorful nose, a fairly dark almost black skin on the neck, all the scales on the legs and head the same basic color, and comparatively few colored scales on the neck.
Websites from that region mention 'red' and 'yellow' Red-footeds, which appear to be two color morphs- the brilliant reds we generally associate with the group, and a more 'typical' Red-footed's colors.
Obviously, some of these characteristics are a very subjective and there is a lot of variation in all groups of Red-footed tortoises. It is certainly possible to have a very colorful Northeastern type, and a rather bland Brazilian type.
Having said all that, I really don't see a lot of the 'cherry-head' characteristics in yours, but I do see signs of past health problems- so I am glad it is in more caring hands.
N2TORTS said:EricIvins said:kimber_lee_314 said:N2TORTS said:Your lil one has characteristics of both. The bulbous nose looks like cherry , while the bottom plastron looks more like a RF. The pictures are a little fuzzy to tell for sure ( it also could be a hybrid) . Only time will tell at this point to see if it’s a boy or girl.
JD~
I agree ... but the plastron would lead me to lean more towards a redfoot.
This is a comparison between a Cherryhead and a Northern Redfoot.......What would make you think the animal in question would lean more towards a Northern?
Eric, I 'll post some bottom pics too. Fact is.. *MOST* of the time a pure cherry blood line will have marbled plastron to almost black, with very little tan/light coloring on the plastron. Unlike the starter of the threads pictures .
JD~
I don't find that to be the case at all with Hatchlings........They are all variable, BUT a Northern Redfoot will not have black pigment on the growth lines, where a Cherryhead will........
Northern Redfoots will have very little pigment on the Plastron, and if they do, it won't be black.......
See post #2 below.......
Northern Plastron pictures.......
One thing to note - The last picture is of clutch mate Northerns - They do have pigment on their Plastron, but it isn't black or crisp like a Cherryhead - It is grey that will fade as the animal ages......
On a Cherryhead, the exact opposite happens - The Plastron gets darker as they age.......The pictures of the Cherryheads I've posted are from a group straight from Brazil that came in between 1990-1996, just incase anyone doubts the origin of these animals.......
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One more question when does marbling usually start from birth or as they get older or just when ever?
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Usally will start to show in the first days from birth very slightly....hence the keen eye of which one's are pick of the litter...as the tort matures the carapace will show more signs of the marbling. This is a genetic trait......Quality adult breeders with marbling , color, size ....ect , will produce outstanding babies the likefold~
Again here you can see the "white" marbling starting to develope on this younger tort.
here is a big mature female cherry "marbled out"
and of course once again some examples of plastron shots of cherrys vs. a RF...
Cherrys'
A big female Northern
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