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I recently found a newborn baby tortoise in the yard of a client who has two adults herself. She did not know the female had laid eggs. The little one has damage to his shell and as a result has trouble walking and keeps flipping over. I did not think he would survive, so I brought him home. I took him to a desert tortoise specialist, who told me to keep him indoors through the summer and upcoming winter. Try to feed him as much natural plants as possible, supplementing with sprouts. He does not know if the shell heal. You can see two back bones in the nickel sized injury, so he advised me to not let him out in the sun more than a few minutes at a time. I have him in a terrarium with a little house for him to hide in. I also have a standard heat lamp and uvb lamp. He is eating well, but not a lot, maybe a tsp. to a tbsp. of chopped leaves, grasses and flowers per day. He poops every couple of days, so I know his tummy is working. He has not drank any water that I have seen, but he does have access to it. The day he was born, he weighed 23 grams. He now is two weeks old and weighs 26 grams. Does that seem like he's growing ok? Is there anything else I should be doing for him?

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I'd make sure to give him 20-30 minute soaks in warm water daily to make sure he's hydrated.
You might not want to get the injured part of his shell get wet at all though.

Looks like a rough injury on the poor baby. There weren't any other hatchlings?
 

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I'd make sure to give him 20-30 minute soaks in warm water daily to make sure he's hydrated.
You might not want to get the injured part of his shell get wet at all though.

Looks like a rough injury on the poor baby. There weren't any other hatchlings?
We didn't see any other babies. do they soak up water like lizards do, thru a vent? or do they have to drink it?
 

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I'm also a little confused by the picture. It looks like there's possibly dirt in the center of the wound/shell damage?

Tortoises absorb some water through their skin and they also drink it.
But babies need extra humidity when they're young in order to prevent pyramiding.
And especially if your baby isn't doing well and isn't eating a lot then it's very important to give it soaks.
 

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Just like others have said, soak daily in a container with warm shallow water that he cant get out of for at least 20 mins. I would put something there so that it wont get infected. That picture looks awkard i dont really understand it. Good luck with that little guy.
 

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I'm also a little confused by the picture. It looks like there's possibly dirt in the center of the wound/shell damage?

Tortoises absorb some water through their skin and they also drink it.
But babies need extra humidity when they're young in order to prevent pyramiding.
And especially if your baby isn't doing well and isn't eating a lot then it's very important to give it soaks.

It looks like dirt, but the doctor said it was damaged/rotted shell. It has since fallen off. I should send in a more recent picture. The two little lines are actually back bones according to the vet. He does eat well. What is pyramiding??
Just like others have said, soak daily in a container with warm shallow water that he cant get out of for at least 20 mins. I would put something there so that it wont get infected. That picture looks awkard i dont really understand it. Good luck with that little guy.
I'm sorry, I don't know how to send a better picture. The injury is not infected and the Vet said to not cover it. I will try to send in a better photo.
 

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The two little lines are actually back bones according to the vet. He does eat well. What is pyramiding??

I'm sorry, I don't know how to send a better picture. The injury is not infected and the Vet said to not cover it. I will try to send in a better photo.
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http://africantortoise.com/pyramiding_in_tortoises.htm that is pyramiding.

And okay i think i get a better concept of the picture. Just watch out for anything getting in there e.g. dirt or substrate.

This tortoise is getting advanced pyramiding
 

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So the two white bars/lines on the top of the carapace is exposed bone? Poor tort!
Yes, that is what the Vet said. But he does not seem to be in pain, he eats well, and is getting so much better at his walking/climbing. He used to fall over and tip all the time, and now he is steady on his feet and seems stronger. I think for a 2 week old, he is doing great! If I had left out on his own, he would have died.
 

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It looks like the membrane just under the shell is all that's left protecting the insides of the baby. It is very fragile. I'm so glad that you have a vet helping you through his recovery. It will take a long time, but eventually new growth will cover the ribs.

Like has been said above, give the baby a daily soak in warm water for at least 15 minutes. He will also need a bit of UVB either from the sun or a good UVB light, but I wouldn't subject him to harsh light for more than a half hour a day. Keep him warm and hydrated.

I hope you 'll keep us informed of his progress.
 

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If the spinal cord was damaged, he wouldn't be able to walk, no?

Maybe cover the 'hole' with a band-aid if you put him under UVB? To prevent burning? And I would think you'd want adequate UVB to help rebuild the shell and any bone damage there...so you need to make sure he gets enough.

Young animals (of all species) have some remarkable powers of regeneration/recovery. Humans included. When my daughter was about 18 m old, I accidentally slammed her finger in the door of our horse trailer and took the tip right off, down to the base of the nail bed. I was absolutely horrified. But it all grew back, can't tell at all. The doctor said if it had happened when she was even a little older the damage would have been permanent, but she was still just young enough that that regenerative ability of the body fixed it.
 

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@Yvonne G, if the injury is that deep, the spinal cord would be gone too then, yes?

No. It's not a deep injury. There's a membrane on the underside of the shell. That membrane hasn't been damaged. The ribs are fused to the underside of the shell, that's why you can see them. The spinal cord is fine. It's just the keratin and bone that is missing.
 

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No. It's not a deep injury. There's a membrane on the underside of the shell. That membrane hasn't been damaged. The ribs are fused to the underside of the shell, that's why you can see them. The spinal cord is fine. It's just the keratin and bone that is missing.

But you're saying the carapace down to the membrane around the organ cavity is missing?

Maybe someone can circle the parts that are missing on a skeleton diagram? My brain just can't understand this for some reason.
 

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