I recently came across some info about Turtleland, southern California based breeder,importer. Owner Bobby Gin was breeding babcocki as well as pardalis up until 2007.The last things I can find out is that there were arrests made re: smuggling about 35 star tortoises and a couple of radiateds. I am wondering what became of his adult Leopard tortoises. Anyone know? From pics I can find, he had at least 20 - 25 adults. No more recent info I can find. He has a Hong Kong website, but no new entries there.