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So, someone on one of the threads regarding ZooMed Grassland diet sought more specific information about the nutritional content of that diet item. Tom suggested, why not just ask – I did. Following is the whole transcript of that exchange.
I have removed my personal contact info from the submitted information request.
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Me to ZooMed:
1:09 PM (20 hours ago)
Hi,Â
Do you have - will share a proximate analysis of Grassland or the Forest tortoise diet?
Even a one lot production would give me something to work with.
Will Espenshade
omitted phone number
omitted street address
San Diego, Â CA Â 92126
ZooMed to Me:
Jennifer Shamblin <JShamblinATzoomed.com>
1:57 PM (19 hours ago)
to me
Hello Will,
               Thank you for contacting us. I’ve pasted into the email what is available for the Grassland Tortoise food.
Suncured Oat Hay, Suncured Timothy Hay, Soybean Hulls, Wheat Middlings, Suncured Alfalfa Meal, Whole Ground Wheat, Escarole, Endive, Calcium Carbonate, Monocalcium Phosphate, Dicalcium Phosphate, Yeast Culture, Dandelion Greens (dried), Sodium Bicarbonate, Soy Lecithin, Direct-Fed Microorganisms (heat stable cultures of Lactobacillus acidophilus, Lactobacillus casei, Bifidobacterium bifidum, Enterococcus faecium, Aspergillus oryzae), Yeast Extract, Hydrated Sodium Calcium Aluminosilicate, Garlic Extract, Anise Extract, Cassia Extract (Chinese), Ginger Extract, Horseradish Extract, Juniper Extract, Natural Flavoring, Marigold (petal extract), Yucca schidigera (whole plant powder), L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of stabilized Vitamin C), Zinc Methionine Complex, Selenium Yeast, Vitamin E Supplement, Mixed Tocopherols, Rosemary Extract, Ascorbic Acid, Citric Acid, Lecithin, Silicon Dioxide, Choline Chloride, Vitamin A Supplement (Retinyl Acetate), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Niacin Supplement, d-Calcium Pantothenate (source of Vitamin B5), Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (source of Vitamin K activity), Riboflavin Supplement (source of Vitamin B2), Thiamine Mononitrate (source of Vitamin B1), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of Vitamin B6), Biotin, Folic Acid, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Zinc Oxide, Manganous Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Tribasic Copper Chloride, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite.
Crude Protein (Min) 9.0%Crude Fat (Min) 2.0%Crude Fiber (Max) 26.0%Moisture (Max) 13.0%Ash (Max) 10.0%Calcium (Min) 0.9%Calcium (Max) 1.3%Phosphorus (Min) 0.4%Sodium (Max) 0.3%
Please let me know if you have any further questions.
Â
Kind Regards,
Jennifer Shamblin
Customer Service
Zoo Med Laboratories, Inc.
3650 Sacramento Drive
San Luis Obispo, CA 93401
888-496-6633Â - Toll Free
805-542-9988Â - DirectÂ
805-542-9295Â - Fax
www.zoomed.com
Â
Me to ZooMed
William Espenshade <william.espenshadeiiiATgmail.com>
3:41 PM (18 hours ago)
to Jennifer
Hi Jennifer,
Thanks, I have bought the grassland and use it.
What I'm looking for is not the label content, or list of ingredients.  I have that on the bottle.
But look at your ingredients, you list for example vitamin E supplement, so what is the analysis of that addition, how much is there.
My idea of a proximate analysis includesÂ
Water
Carbohydrates
Proteins (how much of each amino acid)
Dietary fibres
Fatty acids
Ash
Vitamins (like the vitamin E)
Dietary minerals
You see, I can't believe you all added vitamin E willy-nilly without knowing how much, right?
I am a biologist with food chemistry background, as well as herpetology. Â I would like a full proximate analysis to understand why just sprinkling some un-quantified amount of vitamin mineral powder is not better.
Will
ZooMed to Me:
Jennifer Shamblin
9:40 AM (19 minutes ago)
to me
Hello Will,
               This is the guaranteed analysis we have for the Tortoise food.
Crude Protein (Min) 9.0%
Crude Fat (Min) 2.0%
Crude Fiber (Max) 26.0%
Moisture (Max) 13.0%
Ash (Max) 10.0%
Calcium (Min) 0.9%
Calcium (Max) 1.3%
Phosphorus (Min) 0.4%
Sodium (Max) 0.3%
Â
Kind Regards,
Jennifer Shamblin
Customer Service
Zoo Med Laboratories, Inc.
3650 Sacramento Drive
San Luis Obispo, CA 93401
888-496-6633Â - Toll Free
805-542-9988Â - DirectÂ
805-542-9295Â - Fax
www.zoomed.com
Â
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My TFO narrative again
I do not know what to make of this. If any of you work in a lab that can do all or most of a proximate analysis. I'll put some $$ for it to be done, maybe someone else would care to contribute, and we can post the 'as bought' at a retail location proximate analysis here. Declared for the lot used in the analysis we are on solid ground to post findings in a public venue.
Of course ZooMed pays for advertising here, don't know what to make of that either.
Let's do some science here, and less debate about it!
Will
I have removed my personal contact info from the submitted information request.
****************************************************
Me to ZooMed:
1:09 PM (20 hours ago)
Hi,Â
Do you have - will share a proximate analysis of Grassland or the Forest tortoise diet?
Even a one lot production would give me something to work with.
Will Espenshade
omitted phone number
omitted street address
San Diego, Â CA Â 92126
ZooMed to Me:
Jennifer Shamblin <JShamblinATzoomed.com>
1:57 PM (19 hours ago)
to me
Hello Will,
               Thank you for contacting us. I’ve pasted into the email what is available for the Grassland Tortoise food.
Suncured Oat Hay, Suncured Timothy Hay, Soybean Hulls, Wheat Middlings, Suncured Alfalfa Meal, Whole Ground Wheat, Escarole, Endive, Calcium Carbonate, Monocalcium Phosphate, Dicalcium Phosphate, Yeast Culture, Dandelion Greens (dried), Sodium Bicarbonate, Soy Lecithin, Direct-Fed Microorganisms (heat stable cultures of Lactobacillus acidophilus, Lactobacillus casei, Bifidobacterium bifidum, Enterococcus faecium, Aspergillus oryzae), Yeast Extract, Hydrated Sodium Calcium Aluminosilicate, Garlic Extract, Anise Extract, Cassia Extract (Chinese), Ginger Extract, Horseradish Extract, Juniper Extract, Natural Flavoring, Marigold (petal extract), Yucca schidigera (whole plant powder), L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of stabilized Vitamin C), Zinc Methionine Complex, Selenium Yeast, Vitamin E Supplement, Mixed Tocopherols, Rosemary Extract, Ascorbic Acid, Citric Acid, Lecithin, Silicon Dioxide, Choline Chloride, Vitamin A Supplement (Retinyl Acetate), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Niacin Supplement, d-Calcium Pantothenate (source of Vitamin B5), Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (source of Vitamin K activity), Riboflavin Supplement (source of Vitamin B2), Thiamine Mononitrate (source of Vitamin B1), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of Vitamin B6), Biotin, Folic Acid, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Zinc Oxide, Manganous Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Tribasic Copper Chloride, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite.
Crude Protein (Min) 9.0%Crude Fat (Min) 2.0%Crude Fiber (Max) 26.0%Moisture (Max) 13.0%Ash (Max) 10.0%Calcium (Min) 0.9%Calcium (Max) 1.3%Phosphorus (Min) 0.4%Sodium (Max) 0.3%
Please let me know if you have any further questions.
Â
Kind Regards,
Jennifer Shamblin
Customer Service
Zoo Med Laboratories, Inc.
3650 Sacramento Drive
San Luis Obispo, CA 93401
888-496-6633Â - Toll Free
805-542-9988Â - DirectÂ
805-542-9295Â - Fax
www.zoomed.com
Â
Me to ZooMed
William Espenshade <william.espenshadeiiiATgmail.com>
3:41 PM (18 hours ago)
to Jennifer
Hi Jennifer,
Thanks, I have bought the grassland and use it.
What I'm looking for is not the label content, or list of ingredients.  I have that on the bottle.
But look at your ingredients, you list for example vitamin E supplement, so what is the analysis of that addition, how much is there.
My idea of a proximate analysis includesÂ
Water
Carbohydrates
Proteins (how much of each amino acid)
Dietary fibres
Fatty acids
Ash
Vitamins (like the vitamin E)
Dietary minerals
You see, I can't believe you all added vitamin E willy-nilly without knowing how much, right?
I am a biologist with food chemistry background, as well as herpetology. Â I would like a full proximate analysis to understand why just sprinkling some un-quantified amount of vitamin mineral powder is not better.
Will
ZooMed to Me:
Jennifer Shamblin
9:40 AM (19 minutes ago)
to me
Hello Will,
               This is the guaranteed analysis we have for the Tortoise food.
Crude Protein (Min) 9.0%
Crude Fat (Min) 2.0%
Crude Fiber (Max) 26.0%
Moisture (Max) 13.0%
Ash (Max) 10.0%
Calcium (Min) 0.9%
Calcium (Max) 1.3%
Phosphorus (Min) 0.4%
Sodium (Max) 0.3%
Â
Kind Regards,
Jennifer Shamblin
Customer Service
Zoo Med Laboratories, Inc.
3650 Sacramento Drive
San Luis Obispo, CA 93401
888-496-6633Â - Toll Free
805-542-9988Â - DirectÂ
805-542-9295Â - Fax
www.zoomed.com
Â
**********************************************
My TFO narrative again
I do not know what to make of this. If any of you work in a lab that can do all or most of a proximate analysis. I'll put some $$ for it to be done, maybe someone else would care to contribute, and we can post the 'as bought' at a retail location proximate analysis here. Declared for the lot used in the analysis we are on solid ground to post findings in a public venue.
Of course ZooMed pays for advertising here, don't know what to make of that either.
Let's do some science here, and less debate about it!
Will