Many refer to a "studbook" and then reference a number, etc. Exactly what is the purpose of a studbook, who keeps it, etc.?
STUDBOOKS
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A studbook documents previous ownership and history of the animal. For me it's helpful in knowing I'm not buying a closely related animal to my own (when buying for breeding purposes).
In the case of the Manouria stud book, it is kept by a curator at a zoo. (can't remember his name without looking it up)
In the case of the Manouria stud book, it is kept by a curator at a zoo. (can't remember his name without looking it up)
~ Who keeps the book and how does it prove previous ownership and accurate history of a certain tortoise?
~ Is there one studbook for this species kept in the USA or one kept by each breeder?
~ Who assigns a specific number to an animal and how do they track that number or positively associate that number to a specific tortoise?
My Manouria stud book record is kept by Craig Pelke of the San Antonio zoo. When I hatch out my baby Manouria I send him a note telling him the sire and dam (who are both listed in the book) and how many babies. As each baby is sold, I then send him a note advising him of the new owner. My Manouria are traced back 4 generations on the captive bred animals, and two generations on the wild caught animals.
~ So it is basically a system to keep track of captive produced numbers of a certain species within the USA?
~ Are they given a tracking or identification number?
Not all species have a stud book, but the U.S. Manouria stud book that I have is the only one for the U.S. Craig, or his minions, assign the numbers to each animal. For instance, in the studbook, my captive bred Manouria phayrei, Phae, was hatched at the Honolulu zoo in July of '83. She has gone through three previous owners before coming to me, and the dates of each transfer is listed in the book. She is assigned a number, and when I list her offspring, I tell them that number.
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~ Several breeders have inquired about some of our near adult radiated population and always ask for a studbook number. This seems to be a vital reference to them.
When I first send the info that I hatched x number of eggs, they are in limbo, but as I inform them of a new owner, then that baby is assigned a number and a new owner.
~ Ok, this number is for what purpose? population? How do you verify or associate this number to a certain tortoise?
In my opinion, it makes the animal a little more valuable.
~ Ok, what check and balance system is used to verify if that tortoise is (ex. #1000 by # 443 & # 552)?
It's just like naming the animal. They've changed the numbers on the new studbook, and I have the old book here in front of me, so I'll use the old number.
For my female, Phae, her number is 147. Just like I know her name is Phae (and you know your tortoise's name is Cowboy), I know that her studbook number is 147. So if I tell someone she's in the studbook, #147, they can find that number in the book and see her history. The number is merely a record-keeping thing.
~ Ok, so basically this entire tracking system is voluntary and verified by word of mouth and reputation?
Well, the stud book says that tortoise #1000 belongs to Joe the Plumber, so if a person is saying he has animal #1000, then he must be Joe the Plumber and probably has the identification to prove who he is. I suppose eventually we will all have pit tags in our tortoises for further identification.
I suppose that's correct, yes. @Will used to keep the stud book for (I think) pig nose turtles. He would be a good person to talk to about stud books.
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