IDENTIFICATION

[RONEY(greek tortoise)]

i bought a greek tortoise , i think 100% SHE IS A FEMALE BUT I'M VERY CONFUSED IF SHE IS TETSUDO GRAECA GRAECA?TETSUDO GRAECA MAROKENSIS OR TETSUDO GRAECA SOUSSENSISS
CAN SOMEONE HELP ME?

 

[Yvonne G]

Being able to see the tail is one thing I depend on when determining sex. I need to be able to see the cloaca (vent).

 

[zovick]

i bought a greek tortoise , i think 100% SHE IS A FEMALE BUT I'M VERY CONFUSED IF SHE IS TETSUDO GRAECA GRAECA?TETSUDO GRAECA MAROKENSIS OR TETSUDO GRAECA SOUSSENSISS
CAN SOMEONE HELP ME? View attachment 366742

Chris Leone could probably ID this tortoise, but I don't know his user name to tag him. Maybe someone else can tag Chris for an answer to what subspecies you have. Maybe @Yvonne G could tag him for you.

 

[HermanniChris]

T. graeca soussensis is no longer a valid taxa even though the common name “Souss Valley tortoise” is still accepted to some extent and applied to T. g. graeca. Taxonomically speaking, what was soussensis is now T. graeca graeca and the animal in the photos you’ve provided corresponds more with Testudo graeca marokkensis from a morphological standpoint. As with any “Greek” tortoise, not knowing exact locality info on an animal definitely throws a wrench into things.

Taken from an article on the western clade:
Subspecies. − Based on molecular analyses, five subspecies are currently recognized in the
western clade of the Mediterranean Spur-thighed Tortoise: T. graeca graeca (southwestern
Morocco, previously referred to as T. graeca soussensis), T. graeca cyrenaica (northeastern Libya),
T. graeca marokkensis (northern and central Atlantic plain of Morocco), T. graeca nabeulensis
(Tunisia, extreme northeastern Algeria, northwestern Libya, introduced in Sardinia) and T.
graeca whitei (northeastern Morocco, western Algeria, peninsular Spain, introduced in Mallorca
and Formentera, previously referred to as T. graeca graeca).

 

[zovick]

Chris Leone could probably ID this tortoise, but I don't know his user name to tag him. Maybe someone else can tag Chris for an answer to what subspecies you have. Maybe @Yvonne G could tag him for you.

T. graeca soussensis is no longer a valid taxa even though the common name “Souss Valley tortoise” is still accepted to some extent and applied to T. g. graeca. Taxonomically speaking, what was soussensis is now T. graeca graeca and the animal in the photos you’ve provided corresponds more with Testudo graeca marokkensis from a morphological standpoint. As with any “Greek” tortoise, not knowing exact locality info on an animal definitely throws a wrench into things.

Taken from an article on the western clade:
Subspecies. − Based on molecular analyses, five subspecies are currently recognized in the
western clade of the Mediterranean Spur-thighed Tortoise: T. graeca graeca (southwestern
Morocco, previously referred to as T. graeca soussensis), T. graeca cyrenaica (northeastern Libya),
T. graeca marokkensis (northern and central Atlantic plain of Morocco), T. graeca nabeulensis
(Tunisia, extreme northeastern Algeria, northwestern Libya, introduced in Sardinia) and T.
graeca whitei (northeastern Morocco, western Algeria, peninsular Spain, introduced in Mallorca
and Formentera, previously referred to as T. graeca graeca).

Good info there, Chris. Thanks for the response.

 

[RONEY(greek tortoise)]

Being able to see the tail is one thing I depend on when determining sex. I need to be able to see the cloaca (vent).

TAKE

 

[RONEY(greek tortoise)]

T. graeca soussensis is no longer a valid taxa even though the common name “Souss Valley tortoise” is still accepted to some extent and applied to T. g. graeca. Taxonomically speaking, what was soussensis is now T. graeca graeca and the animal in the photos you’ve provided corresponds more with Testudo graeca marokkensis from a morphological standpoint. As with any “Greek” tortoise, not knowing exact locality info on an animal definitely throws a wrench into things.

Taken from an article on the western clade:
Subspecies. − Based on molecular analyses, five subspecies are currently recognized in the
western clade of the Mediterranean Spur-thighed Tortoise: T. graeca graeca (southwestern
Morocco, previously referred to as T. graeca soussensis), T. graeca cyrenaica (northeastern Libya),
T. graeca marokkensis (northern and central Atlantic plain of Morocco), T. graeca nabeulensis
(Tunisia, extreme northeastern Algeria, northwestern Libya, introduced in Sardinia) and T.
graeca whitei (northeastern Morocco, western Algeria, peninsular Spain, introduced in Mallorca
and Formentera, previously referred to as T. graeca graeca).

I HAVE ANOTHER TORTOISE WITHOUT SPUR ? THIS IS A TETSUDO GRAECA GRAECA

 

[HermanniChris]

I HAVE ANOTHER TORTOISE WITHOUT SPUR ? THIS IS A TETSUDO GRAECA GRAECA

Certainly could be as a percentage of T. g. graeca do not have spurs.

 

[RONEY(greek tortoise)]

Certainly could be as a percentage of T. g. graeca do not have spurs.

tanks HERMANNI CHRIS fom GARDEN STATE TORTOISE i'm a big fan in your channel and i love your content in youtube

 

[HermanniChris]

tanks HERMANNI CHRIS fom GARDEN STATE TORTOISE i'm a big fan in your channel and i love your content in youtube

Thank you very much for watching.