There are lots of tortoises for sale on the Chicago area Craigs List. Some are nice looking, some have bad pyramiding. The one with the sulcata the size of a NFL football is a second ad for this tortoise. She originally wanted $25.00. Kristina and I were going to help her out. She pretty much blew us off, after several emails and being so glad that someone was going to take her tortoise off her hands. Now she wants $200.00 and she was told about the poor condition of the tort and poor housing. Some how she must think that advice raised the value, hmmm.