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hi i am new to this i just bought a tortoise its 4 yrs old hes a henmann but when i picked him up yesterday he still hasnt eatern or drinking any clues please
hes was very lively at 9 pm last night
 

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i i have tried everything dandelions lettuce apple carrot tomato brown bread and hes just nudging it with his nose i have only had him since lunchtime yesterday and im worried
 

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torts can cope with not eating for quite sometime, so don't be to worried.
You just need to be sure you're feeding it right.
apple, tomato & bread are all unsuitable for hermann's.
It's a vegetarian tort, so you should feed it weeds (dandelions are great food). list of safe weeds here: http://www.shelledwarriors.co.uk/www.shelledwarriors.co.uk/Edible_Weeds.html

as for now, you could try some squash. my hermann's cannot resist it. just the orange color gets him all worked up....
keep experimenting different weeds\vegetabeles (curli endive, watercress, turnip greens are popular & nutritious) until you find something he likes.

after that you can mix other food with the one that works, so to mix their scent.

how do you have him setup?
post some pics of the enclosure if you can.
and keep asking us questons. ;)
 

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Your new hermann needs an adjustment period, some will not eat for a few days after coming home and others will eat right away. Don't worry yet, give him some time alone to adjust to his surroundings and then he should eat for you. Keep his water dish filled with warm water and soak him 2-3 times a week in a seperate container. Do you have a heat lamp and a UVB bulb? When setting up your cage make sure you have a warm end and then a cool end so s/he can regulate his tempature. Here is a site for hermann care... http://www.austinsturtlepage.com/Care/cs-easthermanns.htm and http://www.hermann-tortoise.co.uk/main.html I am sure Hermann caregivers will follow and they might even have better care sheets. Here is a list of plants that are safe for your tort. http://www.russiantortoise.org/edible_plants.htm welcome to TFO glad you and your tort found us!! And we love pictures!!
 

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i have him in a 2ft square wooden box as hes only small and he has a water dish wood chippings and has a slate to climb on he has a heat bulb and a uv bulb he even has uv bulb in his bedroom area thanks for the advice
 

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what is aspen and i only bought woodchippings coz the pet shop told me to he was also feeding him cat food but i read that this is wrong does this mean he could have harmed my baby
 

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this is aspen: http://www.petco.com/product/14364/Zoo-Med-Aspen-Snake-Bedding.aspx

woodchips are dusty and can be hard on the animal's eyes & lungs.

as for cat food, it's - like you said - a totally wrong diet for a hermann's and it might explain why the tort is not eating the new food you're providing.

It'll just take a little time for it to be hungry enough to try what you give him.

be sure to read through the links that Jen geve you, just to make sure you're not missing anything.

if you post some pics of your setup we can have a better idea of what is going on

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You need to keep the uvb and heat bulbs by each other at one end of the enclosure, there is no need for it to be in his house. They need a place that they can retreat to if it gets to hot. Cat food is a no no for hermanns. Give him some time to adjust and he will start eating. I just got 2 new torts in, one ate the first day and the other the second day, but I have some that didn't eat for a week. keep clean warm water in his box and continue to offer food daily and he will eat soon enough.
 

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thanks guys for all the help its much needed hes just sleeping now has done since this afternoon bless
 

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Image008.jpgImage001.jpgImage004.jpgImage006.jpgImage007.jpghere are a few pics of my set up
please tell me if im going wrong and if there is anything i need to add
hes just very sleepy and is still not eating or drinking
 
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Hi, VPG1978, Well he has quite a bit of light in his habitat. What are the bulbs you are using?
The florescent light is it a uvb light? The small flood bulb is that just a basking lamp and what watt is it? Height from substrate? Then you have the compact florescent? That is a lot of light. There is no place for him to get out of the light. What temps are in the habitat? And what substrate do you have him on?

I would place the long florescent if it is uvb and the basking lamp on the same side at least 12 inches from the substrate. Check the temps in this area, basking temp should be about 90 F (32 C). I like shredded aspen for substrate or dirt and sand mix with a little bed a beast mixed in. (my preference)

For starters I would read up on bulbs, here are some sites.
http://carolinapetsupply.com/uvb_output_of_bulbs.htm

Problems with some compact florescent bulbs
http://www.uvguide.co.uk/phototherapyphosphor-summary.htm

Here are a couple of care link
http://tortoiseforum.org/hermanns-tortoise-care-sheet-t-1000.html
http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/hermannstortoisecare.htm

I'm sure some Hermanni owners will respond but this will bet you started.
 

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thanks alot all i need is a little point in the right direction as the pet shop owner never told me a thing i had to research a lot on line
 

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vpg,
check out this thread: http://tortoiseforum.org/new-and-have-some-questions-t-1355.html
it was started also by a new hermann keeper and should give you further insight on what to change.

to sum up what's been said:

1) change the substrate. aspen, soil or bead-a-beast are all better & safer
2) monitor temps inside the enclosure. you need a gradient.
3) you only need 1 uvb source & 1 heat source. no lights in the hide.
4) also, a bigger habitat will be an issue pretty soon...
5) bath the tort on shallow tepid water 2/3 times a week.
6) check the safe food list on the link above and the one I previously posted. also, check out the hermann caresheet on the hermann lounge and the enclosure section for improvment ideas.

it's a good thing you researched online. pet shops have a history of giving the worst tortoise husbandry advice...
keep us posted.
cheers,
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just thought id let everyone no that the tortoise loves butternut squash like someone on here told me to buy hes now a lil piggy and eats everything thanks guys
 

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fantastic news, vpg1978! congratulations.
told you they just can't resist that shiny squash... ;)
 
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