TFO is flagged from craigslist

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Even just looking at the text I don't see it as anything but a point towards an informational forum..

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ehh, I'll give it some time and then try another one.
 

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I meant no harm Heather....but yes, it came across to me loudly as a breeder reference....

As suggested, a simple, to the point, few words to lead to the link/forum :D
 

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No worries Angela. ;) It was helpful to get that perspective cuz I had no clue. So thanks :)


Help me out a bit though.. to clarify, It was just the 2 websites in the corner of the photos that shouted "breeder" to you? Not the text or photos themselves??
 

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Help me out a bit though.. to clarify, It was just the 2 websites in the corner of the photos that shouted "breeder" to you? Not the text or photos themselves??

Mostly yes. I mean if the photos are there with reference to the species alone, then it is informational...if there is a pic with a breeder, then it becomes an advertisement....does that make sense?

I mean, if the pics are not able to be used without permission, then don't use any---just offer the most simple directional/informational text you can...the folks will still end up at the Forum....
 

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Ok. Thanks.
A few of you made the breeder reference so when the time comes and I re post an ad, I'll change that.
 

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I also forgot to mention Heather...good job for your work on getting the word out and taking the time to do it dear.
 

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You all are missing the point. Your typical Craigslist "Pet" flagger is your typical AR/Peta type who thinks these animals should be left in the beautiful wilds of this Earth, under blue skies with hearts and butterflies. The types who think People shouldn't own "pets" to begin with, or that a "pet" owner consists of owning Dogs or Cats let alone any type of "exotic". That "exotic" word really gets those people going.

You aren't going to win on Craigslist against those types. By reposting, you only add fuel to their fire...
 

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You all are missing the point. Your typical Craigslist "Pet" flagger is your typical AR/Peta type who thinks these animals should be left in the beautiful wilds of this Earth, under blue skies with hearts and butterflies. The types who think People shouldn't own "pets" to begin with, or that a "pet" owner consists of owning Dogs or Cats let alone any type of "exotic". That "exotic" word really gets those people going.

You aren't going to win on Craigslist against those types. By reposting, you only add fuel to their fire..

vs...oh, lets say--an arrogant idiot who believes all living creatures are to be hunted down, captured and tossed into captivity for human enjoyment only???

Suppose there are always two sides to a coin....
 

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I haven't read the craigslist TOS lately but I think the inclusion of the referral link probably makes it spam.
 

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Good Morning Everyone.

I haven't been around for a bit (hate when life gets in the way of fun) but sat reading last night and saw this thread. I also had an add running for a few months but hadn't renewed it lately. This morning I revived it so lets see if and how long it takes to remove. The link is http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/pet/4380369958.html
Other then the referral to TFO I don't see any reason it would be pulled. There are other adds up in my area for rescues that look similar.
 

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I actually think its great to try to post an ad to let people know about TFO. When I was thinking about getting my sulcata I was looking at craigslist for tortoise supplies, and actually found an ad for a turtle forum, and I got on there and asked questions and few people could help me and I somehow found TFO from that.
As someone said above, people might not be coming on craigslist to buy tortoises, and it is a place for some people to just sell things that they don't need. Even so, I went on craigslist to find an old aquarium that someone might not need anymore, and I found an ad. And people really do actually want to buy pets on there, and they might find an ad. If someone is on there to buy a tortoise, they'll see it. If someone is going on there to look for tortoise supplies, they'll see it. I think its a great idea.
And then of course theres some people like me who have 8 hour nursing lecture days, they just scroll through the pet section out of pure boredom, and might come across it :p
I try to email everyone selling a tort, especially if I can tell its not the correct way to raise one, about TFO. Maybe if you have an instagram account you can make some sort of picture ad and post it and hashtag #sulcata. I know I look up #sulcata when I'm bored to see everybody else's and I see lots of tortoises being raised the wrong way. I try to comment on them and politely tell them about TFO and that a lot of other online info is wrong. I've had a few really appreciate it and even started following me. I've also had several people follow me after I post one of my own pics and hashtag #sulcata, so I know people really look it up and would see it. An ad on there would probably be very helpful. Of course, you'd have to post it often because people probably don't scroll down for days.

And I think the reason that its being flagged on craigslist is because people may know from the information that you give them that people on TFO sell tortoises. Craigslist is afraid that if people know that people can go on TFO to buy/sell them, they won't use craigslist anymore.
 

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I don't think some of you guys understand. There are people in the world who HATE us. I mean they think we are the most evil, vile, filth that ever lived because we have imprisoned these poor wonderful helpless creatures purely for our own selfish, demented human pleasure...

We even have some of these people right here on our own forum and they to keep animals captive. I even like one of them despite our opposing views on this issue.

If the general public has the power to shut down our messages on any whim, then there is a large enough number of these animal rights leftist whackos out in society to shut us down on a regular basis. They abhor the keeping of pets so much that in their minds it is better if people do not learn how to do it better. I have had them tell me, literally, they would rather my animals be DEAD than in my care. My dogs included. To some of these lunatics, dead animals are better off than well cared for captive animals. They devote their lives and their pocketbooks to activism that is attempting to shut us down. They get a little closer every day. If any of this is news to you, and you are not aware of how severe, dangerous and serious this problem is, please study up a bit on it. Search for "animal rights", or "animal rights, vs. animal welfare", or check out these guys who are trying to work in our favor: http://usark.org. This attack on us and our animals is as scary as it is despicable.

Now I'm not saying that we shouldn't keep trying to make these CL posts, I'm just saying that if the criterion for removing our ad is one person not liking it, it seems like a futile effort to me. Is there not a way to appeal to the CL management about this?
 

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I am know expert this is just a thought, It could be because you are posting an add in what people think is a for sale section. If I am a consumer trying to buy an old dog house, I don't want to have to go through 100's ads to find the dog house listing. So people just flag/delete any thing that is not for sale and wasted there time opening the ad. Another thought, every time you post something it pushing down somebody else listing making it harder for a customers to find there listing. If they flag/delete your ad theirs stays higher and is easier to find. Just a thought.
 

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Heather, please accept my apology for my participation in moving your thread waaaaayyyyy off topic :D




I would be willing to discuss the topic that has made way to derail this thread in a separate appropriate labelled/placed thread if someone feels the need AND really finds that there will be honest actual sharing for the purpose of seeing a variety of opinions and not with the intention of a division of sides and teams to be achieved... Otherwise the topic simply gets turned into the same old propaganda...and that is exactly what happens....over and over again.
 

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And here you go:

http://www.craigslist.org/about/prohibited

Here is a partial list of goods, services, and content prohibited on craigslist:
  • any good, service, or content that violates the law or legal rights of others
  • false, misleading, deceptive, or fraudulent content; bait and switch; keyword spam
  • offensive, obscene, defamatory, threatening, or malicious postings or email
  • anyone’s personal, identifying, confidential or proprietary information
  • spam; miscategorized, overposted, cross-posted, or nonlocal content
  • postings or email the primary purpose of which is to drive traffic to a website
  • weapons; firearms/guns and components; BB/pellet, stun, and spear guns; etc
  • ammunition, clips, cartridges, reloading materials, gunpowder, fireworks, explosives
  • US military items not demilitarized in accord with Defense Department policy
  • child pornography; bestiality; offers or solicitation of illegal prostitution
  • pet sales (re-homing with small adoption fee ok), animal parts, stud service
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  • prescription drugs, medical devices; controlled substances and related items
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  • stolen property, property with serial number removed/altered, burglary tools, etc
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  • lottery or raffle tickets, sweepstakes entries, slot machines, gambling items
  • postings or email offering, promoting, or linking to unsolicited products or services
  • affiliate marketing; network, or multi-level marketing; pyramid schemes
 

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Well that would do it.

RULE BREAKERS!!! All of you CL posters should be ashamed of yourselves. Flagrant rule violations. Sheesh. What were you thinking?
 

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Well, well, my two CL ads are still up and not flagged. The one is Heathers but without the pics


Isn't rules made to be broken:D
 
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